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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2015, 04:13:51 PM »
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When Derek Smart is the wise man saying "the fiscal properties and scope of this space-ship simulator seems to extend beyond your budget and development time" it's really something.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2015, 04:18:48 PM »
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last year they posted it leaked how much money they were burning each month. They were dead on balls accurate it looks like. a ton of brand new studies in several countries with state of the art equipment and a few hundred employees for several years. 100 mil they wouldnt even break even
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2015, 04:55:46 PM »
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lmao goons spending thousands on fucking video games and then crying about not having money and needing socialism

Crowd funding lets them think of themselves as "investors" in a start up.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2015, 05:23:02 PM »
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lmao goons spending thousands on fucking video games and then crying about not having money and needing socialism

Crowd funding lets them think of themselves as "investors" in a start up.

the most amazing part of the thread, to me at least, is how they use that language, e.g. "i invested all this money" and "I invested $1,000 into star citizen".

"investing" in video games  :stewart:
This forum, like all iterations before it was started by a small group of people, many of whom have been posting together on various spinoffs going on 15 years now.

Dog's plans for the forum have been extensively discussed with 3 of the other 4 fagmins, via group PM, over a period of months.

The only ones "subverting" the forum here are the swole cru/wn/alt rightards who, by their own admission, want to change this forum from what it was, was intended to be, and what the former and current owners want it to be.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2015, 05:38:11 PM »
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wow a left leaning website doesnt understand what an investment is. word
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It wouldn't be the first time that people in or related to the forums tried to harass someone into suicide.
It's sad because basically Fire's biggest offense is trying to be a decent human being.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2015, 05:50:14 PM »
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wow a left leaning website doesnt understand what an investment is. word

They're not traditional leftists though.  They don't support either everyone being economically equal or everyone providing for themselves to the best of their ability.  They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state and if the revolution ever came they'd be first against the wall, not subsidised by the state to tweet all day and call themselves artists and philosophers.  Communes still exist but you don't see goons rushing to join them.  I think in the whole time I've been reading SA there are only a couple of posters who've even done a short kibbutz thing.
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2015, 06:09:15 PM »
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This forum, like all iterations before it was started by a small group of people, many of whom have been posting together on various spinoffs going on 15 years now.

Dog's plans for the forum have been extensively discussed with 3 of the other 4 fagmins, via group PM, over a period of months.

The only ones "subverting" the forum here are the swole cru/wn/alt rightards who, by their own admission, want to change this forum from what it was, was intended to be, and what the former and current owners want it to be.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2015, 07:00:38 PM »
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wow a left leaning website doesnt understand what an investment is. word

They're not traditional leftists though.  They don't support either everyone being economically equal or everyone providing for themselves to the best of their ability.  They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state and if the revolution ever came they'd be first against the wall, not subsidised by the state to tweet all day and call themselves artists and philosophers.  Communes still exist but you don't see goons rushing to join them.  I think in the whole time I've been reading SA there are only a couple of posters who've even done a short kibbutz thing.

They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state

Truest thing ever uttered on SOSE or any forum critiquing the "left". IMMGIRANTS ARE GETTING INTO CEO JOBS FAST ENOUGH (ignores the fact it takes work to succeed)

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2015, 07:10:29 PM »
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wow a left leaning website doesnt understand what an investment is. word

They're not traditional leftists though.  They don't support either everyone being economically equal or everyone providing for themselves to the best of their ability.  They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state and if the revolution ever came they'd be first against the wall, not subsidised by the state to tweet all day and call themselves artists and philosophers.  Communes still exist but you don't see goons rushing to join them.  I think in the whole time I've been reading SA there are only a couple of posters who've even done a short kibbutz thing.

They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state

Truest thing ever uttered on SOSE or any forum critiquing the "left". IMMGIRANTS ARE GETTING INTO CEO JOBS FAST ENOUGH (ignores the fact it takes work to succeed)

The reason "old leftists" like myself hate "new leftists" so much is because the idea of contributing to the best of your ability and giving back to society is totally alien to them.  Plus they alienate potential allies by demanding ideological purity.  Monsanto could give every poor family in Australia seeds to grow enough basic food for a year and they'd bitch about it.

When we had terrible floods here earlier this year a local business offered free storage for people to store their salvaged belongings while their homes were repaired/they found new accommodations.  The "progressives" bitched that "they only did it for publicity".  Numerous food banks have failed here because people didn't like being asked to give an hour of their time in return for a box of groceries.

I volunteer for a tiny organisation which distributes 15 million dollars worth of free food a year and serves 15,000 free meals a year.  It started 5 years ago with a donation of a single crate of milk. Who fucking cares if the corporations donating the food get a tax write off?  It's win/win.  The rate of donations is increasing so rapidly that new distribution points are opening every month, but corporations are evil doncha know.  Oh yeah, it's a Christian organisation but I'm an atheist.  Nobody involved gives two fucks about the religious beliefs of anyone else because we all have a common goal, which is "redistributing wealth" by getting good quality food to people who need it.  That is social justice in action, not sitting on Twitter bitching about the 1%.  People fall over themselves to help others if you ask them nicely.
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2015, 07:39:03 PM »
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2015, 07:54:55 PM »
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I am a huge fucking sperglord nerd, and even I look at a spending $1000 on a pretend spaceship that doesn't exist yet and think "Who is so fucking retarded they would 'buy' this?"
Let me know when the next SASS spinoff starts.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2015, 08:33:53 PM »
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Derek Smart is a self-aggrandizing shitbag- almost half of his 888 blog posts are him jerking off over his resume and trying his hardest to make the drama all about him.

That said, there's some real comedy in there.  Like when Chris Roberts married a nobody actress, set her up as a VP and Co-Founder, and then let her use company money and resources to film and produce unrelated vanity projects.  It's like a fat video-gaming Citizen Kane. 

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2015, 08:53:43 PM »
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wow a left leaning website doesnt understand what an investment is. word

They're not traditional leftists though.  They don't support either everyone being economically equal or everyone providing for themselves to the best of their ability.  They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state and if the revolution ever came they'd be first against the wall, not subsidised by the state to tweet all day and call themselves artists and philosophers.  Communes still exist but you don't see goons rushing to join them.  I think in the whole time I've been reading SA there are only a couple of posters who've even done a short kibbutz thing.

They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state

Truest thing ever uttered on SOSE or any forum critiquing the "left". IMMGIRANTS ARE GETTING INTO CEO JOBS FAST ENOUGH (ignores the fact it takes work to succeed)

The reason "old leftists" like myself hate "new leftists" so much is because the idea of contributing to the best of your ability and giving back to society is totally alien to them.  Plus they alienate potential allies by demanding ideological purity.  Monsanto could give every poor family in Australia seeds to grow enough basic food for a year and they'd bitch about it.

When we had terrible floods here earlier this year a local business offered free storage for people to store their salvaged belongings while their homes were repaired/they found new accommodations.  The "progressives" bitched that "they only did it for publicity".  Numerous food banks have failed here because people didn't like being asked to give an hour of their time in return for a box of groceries.

I volunteer for a tiny organisation which distributes 15 million dollars worth of free food a year and serves 15,000 free meals a year.  It started 5 years ago with a donation of a single crate of milk. Who fucking cares if the corporations donating the food get a tax write off?  It's win/win.  The rate of donations is increasing so rapidly that new distribution points are opening every month, but corporations are evil doncha know.  Oh yeah, it's a Christian organisation but I'm an atheist.  Nobody involved gives two fucks about the religious beliefs of anyone else because we all have a common goal, which is "redistributing wealth" by getting good quality food to people who need it.  That is social justice in action, not sitting on Twitter bitching about the 1%.  People fall over themselves to help others if you ask them nicely.

The KKKoch brothers once donated $100 million to a hospital to build a new ambulance wing.   Guess what happened?  Liberals went out and protested the donation.

 :facepalm:
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2015, 09:10:21 PM »
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wow a left leaning website doesnt understand what an investment is. word

They're not traditional leftists though.  They don't support either everyone being economically equal or everyone providing for themselves to the best of their ability.  They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state and if the revolution ever came they'd be first against the wall, not subsidised by the state to tweet all day and call themselves artists and philosophers.  Communes still exist but you don't see goons rushing to join them.  I think in the whole time I've been reading SA there are only a couple of posters who've even done a short kibbutz thing.

They basically want upward mobility to be provided by the state

Truest thing ever uttered on SOSE or any forum critiquing the "left". IMMGIRANTS ARE GETTING INTO CEO JOBS FAST ENOUGH (ignores the fact it takes work to succeed)

The reason "old leftists" like myself hate "new leftists" so much is because the idea of contributing to the best of your ability and giving back to society is totally alien to them.  Plus they alienate potential allies by demanding ideological purity.  Monsanto could give every poor family in Australia seeds to grow enough basic food for a year and they'd bitch about it.

When we had terrible floods here earlier this year a local business offered free storage for people to store their salvaged belongings while their homes were repaired/they found new accommodations.  The "progressives" bitched that "they only did it for publicity".  Numerous food banks have failed here because people didn't like being asked to give an hour of their time in return for a box of groceries.

I volunteer for a tiny organisation which distributes 15 million dollars worth of free food a year and serves 15,000 free meals a year.  It started 5 years ago with a donation of a single crate of milk. Who fucking cares if the corporations donating the food get a tax write off?  It's win/win.  The rate of donations is increasing so rapidly that new distribution points are opening every month, but corporations are evil doncha know.  Oh yeah, it's a Christian organisation but I'm an atheist.  Nobody involved gives two fucks about the religious beliefs of anyone else because we all have a common goal, which is "redistributing wealth" by getting good quality food to people who need it.  That is social justice in action, not sitting on Twitter bitching about the 1%.  People fall over themselves to help others if you ask them nicely.

The KKKoch brothers once donated $100 million to a hospital to build a new ambulance wing.   Guess what happened?  Liberals went out and protested the donation.

 :facepalm:

I don't like the Koch brothers, but if they're gonna blow that kind of cash to build a fucking ambulance wing, then who the fuck cares where the money comes from? Thanks for the life saving facility.

Any Liberal that protested is a special kind of retarded.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2015, 09:17:07 PM »
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The KKKoch brothers once donated $100 million to a hospital to build a new ambulance wing.   Guess what happened?  Liberals went out and protested the donation.

 :facepalm:

Much as progressives like to spin the narrative that everyone earning above minimum wage is FYGM, the reality is that the modern left has alienated everyone mainstream (and many old leftists as well) to such an extent that they direct their time, their money and their influence (influence is one of the biggest assets a supporter can have) elsewhere.  They're still giving, they just won't give to causes and organisations associated with progressives. 

I could give you literally hundreds of instances of poor, working, middle class and rich people alike seeking out hands on social justice projects to help.  They'll give to pretty much anything which doesn't require them to sprout progressive rhetoric.  I know people who could comfortably retire tomorrow and live and upper class life for the rest of their days who continue working primarily so they can give more financial help to good causes.  Make it easy for people to give and they will.
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2015, 11:54:41 PM »
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lmao goons spending thousands on fucking video games and then crying about not having money and needing socialism

I mean, my God. If you're going to play video games, that's fine and dandy, but how about Not blowing thousands and thousands of dollars on it and then whining about evil white cis male capitalists. Just wait for a steam sale and buy a game for like five or ten bucks every once in a while and call it good.
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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2015, 12:50:33 AM »
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This forum, like all iterations before it was started by a small group of people, many of whom have been posting together on various spinoffs going on 15 years now.

Dog's plans for the forum have been extensively discussed with 3 of the other 4 fagmins, via group PM, over a period of months.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2015, 12:57:45 AM »
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I love starfags.

I've made so much money off of them already by making cash bets towards the obvious- That they were a front loaded profit initiative that's going to release a bare bones "game" only when the pressure is fully on and then disappear with the raw profit when it tanks as it was never meant to be a full featured or realized product.

It's kind of like hiring mob construction and then being surprised when your house is all drywall and balsa wood.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2015, 01:09:34 AM »
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Derek Smart is a self-aggrandizing shitbag- almost half of his 888 blog posts are him jerking off over his resume and trying his hardest to make the drama all about him.

That said, there's some real comedy in there.  Like when Chris Roberts married a nobody actress, set her up as a VP and Co-Founder, and then let her use company money and resources to film and produce unrelated vanity projects.  It's like a fat video-gaming Citizen Kane.

EXT. "EL RANCHO" INDIE VIDEO GAMES PAGE ON STEAM - EARLY DAWN -

          GIF SIGN BANNER AD FLASHING:

          "EL RANCHO"

         NEW GAMES DEVELOPED

          SUSAN ALEXANDER ROBERTS

          DONATE NOW

          glows on the dark screen as in the previous sequence earlier
          in the script.  Behind the lights and through them, we see a
          nasty early morning.  Camera as before, moves through the lights
          of the sign and down on the skylight, through which is seen
          Susan at her computer,  Thompson seated at his in another room.

          Very faintly during this, pings of chat sounds.

                                                                  DISSOLVE:

          INT. "EL RANCHO" "OFFICES"--A DIRTY BEDROOM- EARLY DAWN -

          Susan and Thompson are chatting online to each other.  The place is almost
          deserted.  Susan is sober.  On the other side of the room,
          midis play.

                                    SUSAN
                        How do you want to handle the whole
                        thing - ask questions?

                                    THOMPSON
                        I'd rather you just talked. 
                        Anything that comes into your mind -
                        about yourself and Mr. Roberts.

                                    SUSAN
                        You wouldn't want to hear a lot of
                        what comes into my mind about myself
                        and Mr. Chris Roberts.

          Susan is thinking.

                                    THOMPSON
                        How did you meet him?

                                    SUSAN
                        I had a toothache.

          Thompson types ??? :confused: at her.

                                    SUSAN
                        That was thiry years ago - and I
                        still remember that toothache.
                        Boy!  That toothache was just
                        driving me crazy, so I decided to
                        do some camming to raise
                        money...
                                                              DISSOLVE OUT:


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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2015, 04:42:37 AM »
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heh those kids these days and their vidya gaems amirite op?
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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2015, 07:59:36 AM »
+1
EXT. "EL RANCHO" INDIE VIDEO GAMES PAGE ON STEAM - EARLY DAWN -

          GIF SIGN BANNER AD FLASHING:

          "EL RANCHO"

         NEW GAMES DEVELOPED

          SUSAN ALEXANDER ROBERTS

          DONATE NOW

          glows on the dark screen as in the previous sequence earlier
          in the script.  Behind the lights and through them, we see a
          nasty early morning.  Camera as before, moves through the lights
          of the sign and down on the skylight, through which is seen
          Susan at her computer,  Thompson seated at his in another room.

          Very faintly during this, pings of chat sounds.

                                                                  DISSOLVE:

          INT. "EL RANCHO" "OFFICES"--A DIRTY BEDROOM- EARLY DAWN -

          Susan and Thompson are chatting online to each other.  The place is almost
          deserted.  Susan is sober.  On the other side of the room,
          midis play.

                                    SUSAN
                        How do you want to handle the whole
                        thing - ask questions?

                                    THOMPSON
                        I'd rather you just talked. 
                        Anything that comes into your mind -
                        about yourself and Mr. Roberts.

                                    SUSAN
                        You wouldn't want to hear a lot of
                        what comes into my mind about myself
                        and Mr. Chris Roberts.

          Susan is thinking.

                                    THOMPSON
                        How did you meet him?

                                    SUSAN
                        I had a toothache.

          Thompson types ??? :confused: at her.

                                    SUSAN
                        That was thiry years ago - and I
                        still remember that toothache.
                        Boy!  That toothache was just
                        driving me crazy, so I decided to
                        do some camming to raise
                        money...
                                                              DISSOLVE OUT:

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2015, 09:44:26 AM »
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I'm going to break with the herd and announce my full support for Team Roberts.

Now, do I think it's a scam? You're god damn right I do. There is no video game on planet earth that requires that level of funding. If you believe they *need* $2,000x??? to make a different colored imaginary space ship, you deserve to be scammed.

The game is probably about as done as it's going to be and the problems they encounter are because of the limits of current generation computers and probably getting all that shit to play well with each other. They'll fuck around until the pressure is too great, release what they have, everyone is underwhelmed and life goes on.

BUT good on him for being able to run an old school carnival where the chalk the easy marks. If these fools didn't give up their money to him, it would disappear anyway. It's a sin to let a sucker give his money to someone else.

And of all people, Derek Smart can go fuck right off. He's just mad that Roberts has beat him at his own game for the past 25 years.

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2015, 11:00:26 AM »
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I think I gave $25 to the SC kickstarter as it said he made Freelancer and I wanted a new one, and my involvement ended there except for the constant emails asking if I wanted to buy some fancy new ship in a game not out, I never brought any.

So it looks like all the complaints bout the Escapist's article are found on this reddit post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n6lum/escapist_anonymous_sources_uncovered/
Lots of hands on their ears claiming Lizzie made it all up and SC is fine and will come out.

Gamer Gate as always investigated and found that most of the sources are good.
https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3n6ti6/unverified_update_on_the_escapist_starcitizen/cvlewq9

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3n7op2/the_claims_against_lizs_star_citizen_article_are/

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But the jist of the original OP's claims are:

    All of Liz's sources come from that Glassdoor page -- "word for word."
    Liz probably put them up herself just to harm the ONE TRUE GAME.
    Because there's no Glassdoor PM system, she obviously couldn't have vetted the sources (Circular reasoning / begging the question -- it takes as self evident that Liz supposedly took the sources from that Glassdoor page without having proved any of that.)

In reality a quick look shows that only one quote is on both pages, a quote of someone else talking about illegal hiring practices. Liz has gone on the record as saying the interviews took place 6+ days ago, before legal and her editor verified and vetted the sources. The review on Glassdoor was posted after that.

The easiest explanation is likely true: The CS1 source, having typed up all that stuff for an interview with Liz, then went on to post a Glassdoor review of what appears to be a very bad place to work at.

It certainly doesn't invalidate the entire article Liz posted, although like Benghazi truthers, the followers of the ONE TRUE GAME will go to their grave before they admit that anything is wrong over at Star Citizen.

And I assume Lizzie released a new article about this.

Star Citizen Employees Speak Out on Project Woes - Update
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company?utm_source=latest&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all

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It was also alleged that Roberts' wife and Cloud Imperium Games Vice President of Marketing Sandi Gardiner enforced discriminatory hiring practices. CS1 reported that they were instructed to, first, check the education field on a prospective employee's resume. If too much time had passed, Gardiner reportedly informed people not to hire them, because "they may be over 40, which makes them a protected class and harder to fire." It was also claimed that Gardiner used race as a determining factor in selecting employees, allegedly once saying "We aren't hiring her. We aren't hiring a black girl."

Sources indicate that multiple complaints have been taken to the Human Resource department against Gardiner, with little assistance on the matter - HR, after all, ultimately answers to Roberts and Gardiner.

"She would write emails with so much profanity. She would call people stupid, retard, faggot. Accuse men of not having balls. And she was incredibly hostile to other female employees," CS4 stated. "Sandi is very jealous. She has to be the queen bee at the company. Whenever I was around her, I felt like I was in the presence of a cobra who, at that moment, might not have been inclined to strike but was completely willing to. You don't get on her bad side," CS3 added. "There were two things you were told, when you were hired. One, you don't talk about [Roberts and Gardiner] being married, to anyone. Ever. And two, you don't make Sandi mad."

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Re: Chris Roberts Presents: Chris Roberts Star Citizen: Refund Edition
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2015, 11:43:45 AM »
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chris roberts response 888 has some gold in it

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