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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 08:46:05 PM »
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A lot of goony leftists are very shut-in and insular. When you haven't left your house to socialize in 5 years since college made you go to classes, you end up with weird ideas of humor or only following things you like. So you have a guy who thinks the height of hilarity is meta-ironic non-sequitur humor like in youtube poops and adult swim, wacky zany explained jokes for children from the non-adult swim cartoons he watches, and forum in-jokes which are about as translatable outside of the original group as in-jokes shared with your dad.

They're also dull, stupid people who enjoy consuming yet have no idea what makes anything good. So they'll consume crap and unironically think it's great. There's nothing wrong with enjoying lowbrow media, just don't go for that exclusively. So you have guys with stunted social behavior, weird senses of humor and no taste. They tend to tell stories about shit that didn't happen or exchanges they actually backed out of early and add the things they wish they said because they can't be witty at the speed of thought. The "why don't you wait an hour for me to make the perfect comeback" kind of witty.

How the hell are they going to make strong, immediately relatable humor that can spread virally? It's why they prefer to let somebody like Colbert do it for them, and let's be blunt, even in the absolute golden age of Bush-era Daily Show, the format means they cannot be on the pulse of day to day culture. They can be really close. They can push the comedy and memes themselves some weeks. But it'll never be 100% spontaneous. And they're not batting with those favorable conditions anymore to begin with so guys like Colbert and Oliver are giving them stale material to work with from step 1!
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 10:38:05 PM »
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It's one of the tradeoffs of having all the power in society: you lack the ability to have the irreverence of poking fun at the other.  Everything these days is either run by the left or run with the framework that has been established by the left.  There are no more schoolmarmish christian fundamentalists to make fun of ala Dana Carvey since all christian denominations have decided to roll over and accept leftist orthodoxy.  No stuffy businessmen to make fun of because all of them bleat about how wonderful diversity is.  And so on.  To make fun of society is to make fun of what the left has set up for society and that's no good.  That's why making fun of poor whites is the only group that is still acceptable to make fun of because they're the only group that hasn't gotten with the progressive program.

So it's not only why the left isn't funny now but will never be funny for the foreseeable future.  In other words, Netflix will keep pumping out shitty standup specials with diverse comedians.  Avery Edison will have xer's standup special before AOA ever will.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2017, 03:01:36 AM »
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So it's not only why the left isn't funny now but will never be funny for the foreseeable future.  In other words, Netflix will keep pumping out shitty standup specials with diverse comedians.  Avery Edison will have xer's standup special before AOA ever will.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2017, 11:45:09 AM »
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Netflix really does pump out prog degeneracy at a rate and intensity that your normal major film studio won't even dream of attempting. 


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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2017, 01:00:35 PM »
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I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been a tranny netflix special. I'm sure they're scouring the joint for one.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2017, 01:26:41 PM »
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I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been a tranny netflix special. I'm sure they're scouring the joint for one.

If it's a comedy special it's gonna be trans-funny. It's not really funny but they're going to insist that everyone think that it is.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2017, 02:52:46 PM »
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OP, more examples of how the Alt-Right gets it right, please, with critical analysis.

We run over people with muscle cars.
















But seriously though, here's a few examples of Alt-Right propaganda that, in my opinion, are examples of how to do modern information warfare right INFOWARS DOT COM. These aren't direct counter-examples in the same order as the mistakes the Left made in the OP, but the elements of them will be discussed when appropriate. Long story short, current right-wing memes were born out of chan culture and the kind of old-school internet edgelordism that nearly went extinct after sites like SA started to get pozzed. There are a couple of key elements that make Alt-Right (using that term broadly, because it's still a fairly large coalition) memes effective, particularly when directly compared to Leftist memes - the first thing, as opposed to The Right Side of History types, is that right-wing memes often bore down to focus on some element of unadulterated (often nasty, brutish, or painful) truth, and the other thing is they're actually worth a chuckle.

There are, of course, other things going on. Right-wing internet propaganda is actually targeted at the right people, as opposed to the kind of "Trump has tiny hands" joke discussed upthread. They often allow and encourage people to become wrongthink co-conspirators, and it often gives the whole thing a tone of mischief and mirth. They usually directly undermine some Leftist platform or position by actually highlighting hypocrisy or simply pointing out something that is objectionable or insane to a normie that the Left want to keep hidden (or aren't quite ready to force everyone to celebrate yet) - piss troughs and the Folsom Street Fair are closer representations of actual real-life homosexuals than Will & Grace, for example. The Alt-Right generally also avoid 888ing in memes except in rare circumstances (and those are usually excused because they're internal propaganda), and save a lot of the wordier poasting and pontificating for forums and people who have shown interest.

If I had to put the following examples into categories similar to the OP, they would be something like this: 1) an instantly recognizable style paired with a direct, unambiguous message, 2) steering language and disarming/appropriating Leftist language as slurs and insults and/or Agree & Amplify, and 3) targeting the right group(s), the right way. #DraftOurDaughters was mentioned in the OP, and it's kind of an example for all three points. It's so pithy it was literally designed as a hashtag campaign, there's no mistaking what it means, it's an example of "Agree & Amplify" of the feminist agenda, and it was conceived as a way to drive down the female turnout for Hillary.



EXAMPLE 1
You'll know it when you see it.














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http://i.imgur.com/QR1CqV0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RZzQcbx.png
http://i.imgur.com/fWLxPt2.jpg

There are a ton of these, so I won't flood the thread with them.

I'd wager 99% of the Waffle SS have at least seen these before, and most of you by now may know that the original concept is from the "Counter-Signal Memes for Fashy Goys" Facebook page. These are absolutely dynamite. Leftists are universally portrayed in a negative light; they're ugly morally, spiritually, and physically. They're weeping gargoyles with unnatural hair colors. They're smug, hook-nosed TV personalities dismissing your family's problems and fears because you're white. They're frail, wimpy little gay sprites lying to your face about their intentions when it comes to spending quality time with your son.

No normie looks at an unflattering caricature of a Leftist that looks like it was drawn by a homeless John K and forms a subconscious positive mental link. Moreover, the message in most of them are totally and completely apparent on first reading - Leftist position X directly and irreconcilably contradicts Leftist position Y, or Leftists hate you for being normal, or Leftists are mentally ill, or Leftists are overly concerned with mean words.

Another hallmark of these is that they're not too wordy. They're not the kind of thing you scan over and decide it's not worth reading because there's a wall of text. A lot of them don't even bother with capitalization or punctuation. These aren't manifestos with sources and citations and data meant to eruditely reason the viewer into a new position - they're good, old-fashioned ridicule propaganda. There's a concept that most of the Alt-Right understands even if they haven't had the conversation: there's dialectic and there's rhetoric, dialectic has its' place but doesn't work on most people, and most shitlibs deserve bullycide via rhetoric because they're not going to listen to reason.

CSM have hit their mark, because the Left have attempted to make knockoffs. You don't try to appropriate a failed meme:



It's like a checklist of all the problems I discussed in the OP. Feel free to post and analyze why this particular example got almost literally everything so spectacularly wrong.


EXAMPLE 2
You're talking like us and you don't even know it.


This is the kind of propaganda that's pure messaging and language without a picture element. In a way this category best fits Richard Dawkins' original definition of a meme: "... an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture ... [acting] as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme."

The Alt-Lite are already neck-deep in this even if they have no idea where or when a term or phrase was originally coined, but several of these have hit the mainstream. And when I say mainstream, I mean 100% normie, non-political online mainstream. Here's a non-exhaustive list of terms and phrases, some with more presence in the mainstream than others:
  • cuck/cuckservative
  • "white genocide"
  • "WE WUZ KANGZ"
  • "diversity is a code-word for anti-white"
  • virtue-signalling
  • helicopter rides
  • Alpha/Beta
  • shitlib
  • Poz/"poz my neg hole"
  • "They want you dead and your children raped, and they're laughing about it."
  • Lügenpresse
  • "I identify as an attack helicopter."
  • "autistic screeching"
  • REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

All of these originated on /b/ or /pol/ (the proto Alt-Right), in the Alt-Right proper, or among Alt-Right fellow travelers like Sam Hyde and MDE. I've seen chainposting of WE WUZ KANGZ in far-flung corners of Reddit. Some of this stuff has become mainstream enough that members of the press will user certain terms like virtue-signalling or cuckservative on Twitter - "white genocide" is another that became a huge topic during the election because of the screen name of an account Trump retweeted.

This is proof that the internet right is steering language online, which ends up altering the use of language in the real world. For all their effort and bluster, Leftist attempts in a similar vein have been met with derision and dismissal. Nobody takes xhe or xir seriously as genuine terms, for example, and "Latinx" and "people of color" are practically jokes. PoC is their biggest success so far, but it's a retread of an attempt from several decades ago and people still aren't comfortable with it. The euphemism treadmill hasn't turned quite enough.

There's a current example of right-wing language that I want to highlight that (I think) AoA reposted somewhere on here: "part of the 45%".



This is amazing and brutal, and I hope it catches on. "Part of the 45%" is both a linguistic cudgel against the Left and a hatefact. If a Leftist complains about it publicly, they'll be forced to disseminate a hatefact in explaining why it's "hate speech", which gets wheels turning in normie heads. Do you want to hand these mentally ill people a rifle and put them in uniform? Do you want them reading books to your children at the local library? Do you want them in the ladies' room? Forget what you think society says, what do YOU want, eternal normie?

This discussion on language brings me to another set of ideas:

EXAMPLE 3
Hoisted by their own petard.


This is the brother of Example 2's list of language the Alt-Right has created. Here we have successful appropriation of Leftist linguistic memes. Turning the enemy's words, thoughts, and ideas against them is incredibly powerful not only because it can be demoralizing, but because it actively frustrates the Left's attempts to (re)gain control of pop culture via the way people communicate. This is a kind of etymological wrestling match.

Here's a short list of words and phrases that have been wrested away from the Left to be either disarmed or turned on them:
  • fake news
  • triggered
  • xhe/xir
  • safe space
  • shitlord
  • "Love Trumps Hate" (and pretty much every single other one of Hilldawg's 1,488 slogans)

This kind of thing is so successful for the Alt-Right at times because the Left will, unsurprisingly, attempt to re-re-appropriate their language or "take it back". Why? Because in their clumsy efforts to do so they often end up using their own terms as insults which serves to undermine and discredit them further. They haven't figured this out yet, but smugly asking "Do you need a safe space?" doesn't work against a right-wing target, it just further ridicules the concept of a safe space.

They're not good at rhetorical reconquista because of the problems I outlined in the OP. Unsurprisingly, there's a Counter-Signal Meme ready and waiting to mock them for it:




EXAMPLE 4
You best start believin' in Counter-Signal Memes, Miss Hensley... You're in one!


Counter-Signal Memes (unfortunately) have a grounding in the reality that is Clown World. Many of the outlandish, misshapen caricatures featured in them are directly based on real unfortunates - a literal tracing of "Pajama Boy" from the Obamacare ads was featured in one of the ones I posted above, for example. This is an implicit threat against the Left that discourages similar behavior and serves as multi-targeted propaganda, and it deserves its' own examples.

This is the modern version of the "Hitler only has one ball" propaganda mentioned in the OP, and more specifically it's an example of how it's supposed to work as contrasted with things like "tiny hands". Unlike CSM they serve as concrete, real-world examples and are a three-pronged strike: they serve as a morale booster and foster in-group solidarity on the right, they clearly expose foolishness and unattractive behavior to normies and fence-sitters, and they disincentivise left-wing activism through exposure, doxxing, and ridicule.

What' I'm referring to here are folks like our old pals Carl the Cuck, AIDS Skrillex, and Trigglypuff. They serve as their own caricatures, neck veins popping, foreheads drenched in sweat, contorted features, red in the face from screaming nonsense. They're bestowed with trenchant, memorable nicknames. In a way this is the right-wing version of "point and sputter", but it avoids that pitfall by actively attacking what they're saying rather than leaving it up to the observer. It's not just "look at this silly-looking person", it's "get a load of this dumb faggot, do you see how much he hates you for being a white man?".


In closing, the Alt-Right is successful because of humor and our ability to deliver a concise idea while addressing and undermining the enemy's own message. If you're willing to be a shitlord, you'll find that it's fun and transgressive to just tell the truth. A lot of the Alt-Right's gains (you mirin', brah?) can be attributed to an Emperor's New Clothes situation writ yuge. We call it Clown World. It turns out we're living in the Emperor's New Society.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2017, 03:54:02 PM »
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Nice explanations.  A shame these posts will be deleted when Zog O deletes the forum out of anger and butthurtedness.  Someone should archive this shit.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2017, 04:05:12 PM »
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Netflix really does pump out prog degeneracy at a rate and intensity that your normal major film studio won't even dream of attempting.
They're putting actual pornography studios to shame.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2017, 05:41:04 PM »
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Nice explanations.  A shame these posts will be deleted when Zog O deletes the forum out of anger and butthurtedness.  Someone should archive this shit.

 :bieber:: "MUH WHITE NATIONALIST INTELLECTUALISM!"

If you're so worried about your 888 contributions to white supremacist discussions vanishing like tears in the rain Chad, for the 6 Gorillionth time, go start your own forum. :rolleyes:

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2017, 05:56:19 PM »
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that rarest of creatures, the "good SS thread"


A lot of the success of the right in the past year can be boiled down to two things: 1) as mentioned, the willingness to call out naked emperors, and 2) simply having a sense of humor.  The left can't laugh at themselves, the stakes are far too high.  For one, lack of a sense of humor is a sine qua non of untrustworthiness.  And for the naked emperors, a large percentage of leftists exist only to create the next naked emperor.  Title IX witchhunts, victimhood as superior morality, forced normalization of sexual modalities that didn't exist ten years ago -- these are all things demanded by the left not just to tear down our society, they are enacted to find and destroy their opponents.

Once surmounted, the bar must be raised.  Are you a rape apologist?  Less of a victim than me?  Heteronormative?  Well then you are too uncultured for our new modern society and must be hounded out.  Are you wavering, comrade?  Do you doubt the future?  Are you on the wrong side of history?  Do you not admire the clothing's fineness?  Goosestep for us, or else you're goosestepping for the opposition.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2017, 06:48:36 PM »
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Nice explanations.  A shame these posts will be deleted when Zog O deletes the forum out of anger and butthurtedness.  Someone should archive this shit.

 :bieber:: "MUH WHITE NATIONALIST INTELLECTUALISM!"

If you're so worried about your 888 contributions to white supremacist discussions vanishing like tears in the rain Chad, for the 6 Gorillionth time, go start your own forum. :rolleyes:

Dog-O, do you believe that the current incarnation of white ethno-nationalism doesn't have a strong grounding in western philosophy and intellectualism?
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2017, 07:17:14 PM »
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You're asking this question to a guy who gets high off of shoe polish at his job

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2017, 07:45:52 PM »
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It's been coming for a little while, but conservatism and nationalism are the counterculture now. We're just waiting for our Woodstock moment. I'm surprised it wasn't this summer, but it can't be too far off. I don't think the election counts either.

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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2017, 07:54:04 PM »
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Nice explanations.  A shame these posts will be deleted when Zog O deletes the forum out of anger and butthurtedness.  Someone should archive this shit.

 :bieber:: "MUH WHITE NATIONALIST INTELLECTUALISM!"

If you're so worried about your 888 contributions to white supremacist discussions vanishing like tears in the rain Chad, for the 6 Gorillionth time, go start your own forum. :rolleyes:

Dog-O, do you believe that the current incarnation of white ethno-nationalism doesn't have a strong grounding in western philosophy and intellectualism?

It does, but that doesn't make it the only valid outgrowth of it.

You're asking this question to a guy who gets high off of shoe polish at his job

A job which gives me the princely sum of $15 extra a month to pay for a place for you to bloviate about race theory and politics which is $15 more than your Captain of Industry job seems to give you.

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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2017, 09:38:05 PM »
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Nice explanations.  A shame these posts will be deleted when Zog O deletes the forum out of anger and butthurtedness.  Someone should archive this shit.

 :bieber:: "MUH WHITE NATIONALIST INTELLECTUALISM!"

If you're so worried about your 888 contributions to white supremacist discussions vanishing like tears in the rain Chad, for the 6 Gorillionth time, go start your own forum. :rolleyes:

Dog-O, do you believe that the current incarnation of white ethno-nationalism doesn't have a strong grounding in western philosophy and intellectualism?

It does, but that doesn't make it the only valid outgrowth of it.

You're asking this question to a guy who gets high off of shoe polish at his job

A job which gives me the princely sum of $15 extra a month to pay for a place for you to bloviate about race theory and politics which is $15 more than your Captain of Industry job seems to give you.

If you need the $15 so badly, give up the forums like you said you were going to.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2017, 10:11:53 PM »
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Good topic, nice work.

Let's take a look at Reddit's r/PoliticalHumor Top 20 in the past year.  Surely a subreddit with 189,919 readers has found or produced lots of good laughs with such a charged atmosphere and copious amounts of material, right?  (I won't do them all but feel free to click the link and look for yourself)

#1. This little gem is #1, 58,000 votes:  

Someone forgot the rule that 'brevity is the soul of wit'.  There's a better, smaller joke in here somewhere, but it's crushed under a '15 Reasons Why Drumpf Bad' type of list WHICH ISN'T MEANT TO BE FUNNY. 

"Who would have guessed that a reality TV star would be bad at being president?", better?  Well, better than the original at least. 

#3.  

A 2 for 1 special: Trump=dumb and scatalogical humor.  52,000 votes.  The 'Every. Fucking. Day.' implies frustration and powerlessness - not funny.  Also - 'shat'?  Even if we grant the newspaper going with 'shat' out of a sense of decorum, then it would follow that the WH would as well but Dumb Donald would not.

WaPo: The President has shat himself.
WH: The President has not shat himself.
Trumpf: I SHIT MYSELF ON PURPOSE!

Eh, still not good.

#5: Hey, this one made me laugh!


Intelligent wordplay!  Nice work, have a Nixon  :nixon:

#7: 404, joke not found:


#8: We love Macron, Trump dumb:


I like how the the implication is that Trump is an idiot but the reader needs to be reminded what the French and American flags look like twice, the leaders need a label to know who's who, and are irrelevant to the 'joke' anyways.

#10: I'm giving this one the benefit of the doubt:
 

Let's say you'd find this 'humorous'.  You know what's not humorous?  The '15 Times Donnie Said The Same Thing That Now Applies To Him' list at the bottom.  Get rid of that pointless crap and now you've got something that sort of passes for humor.  Sort of.


#14:

Again - brevity!  "Really enjoying this time travel thriller where a man tweets desperate warnings to his future self. (Trump quote)"  The included quote sort of works except that you can't really read it as a tweet to his future self but whatever, details, details.


#15: Four panel cringe jokes with exaggerated pantomime faces are funny, right?


#17:  

Like pointed out earlier, this is a tone-deaf rehash of a better joke.  Stupid Skinner, be more funny!

#18:

Hey, something from a professional Political Cartoonist!  Let's see what the people who get paid for this turn out.
 (This was apparently during the 'Comey is Good, we've always been at war with Oceania' phase.)
 
The good: I like the Little Lord Fauntleroy get up of Trump - I think it's both comical and targeted: he's rich and spoiled.  If I were a cartoonist I'd stick with it.  The bad: What is Comey saying?  "Russia assaulted American democracy"?  Weak, like "We don't know what Russia did but they definitely did something bad".  Rather than have Trump whine - maybe have him pouting and plugging his ears? 

#20:

Hey, a politcal cartoon that's not 888.  I like the "Sugar Coated" klan hoods and swastikas too.  Bannon is appropriately grody and the 'spoon feeding' symbolism is good too.  There's some "Trump=dumb" throw in too, which is a common theme even though it always feels like a mis-fire to me.  Does the left really think Trump is an idiot?  At this level of politician I think it's a gross underestimation but "don't stop your enemies when they're making a mistake" and all that.  This one is light years better than the dreck that's listed at #1.

All in all the Top 20 paint a pretty damning picture of the Left's political humor chops.  Shitty bon-mots, waaaaay too many words at the wrong times, and not a single pro-Trump post.  #2 was a "Bernie would have won" from Bernie to the DNC but other than that, across-the-board anti-Trump 'humor'.  Knock-knock dummies, you're in an echo chamber.  Take heed.
 



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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2017, 10:14:55 PM »
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Can you fags take your stupid slapfights somewhere else? This is actually interesting.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2017, 10:36:30 PM »
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#18:

Hey, something from a professional Political Cartoonist!  Let's see what the people who get paid for this turn out.
 (This was apparently during the 'Comey is Good, we've always been at war with Oceania' phase.)
 
The good: I like the Little Lord Fauntleroy get up of Trump - I think it's both comical and targeted: he's rich and spoiled.  If I were a cartoonist I'd stick with it.  The bad: What is Comey saying?  "Russia assaulted American democracy"?  Weak, like "We don't know what Russia did but they definitely did something bad".  Rather than have Trump whine - maybe have him pouting and plugging his ears? 

That's shockingly good for Horsey. He's the guy responsible for this shameful travesty:




Mainstream political cartoons are 99% unmitigated garbage these days. Look at this one:

Quote from: George Lincoln Rockwell
The Conservatives have a slogan which I think is despicable and defeatist: "It's better to be dead than red." And the Commies and Liberals have a slogan which is even worse, it's treason, they say: "It's better to be red than dead." We say this: "You don't have to be Red and you don't have to be Dead. Not dead. Not Red. Dead Reds"


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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2017, 10:39:40 PM »
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#5 is not that bad.  The rest are all awful though.

A lot of it seems to be signal humor though.  The content may be shit but it is mean spirited enough to know that people won't get confused about you sharing a political joke in general vs. letting people know you are against Orange Cheeto Hitler.  So that way when you repost it or retweet it, people know where you stand.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2017, 12:50:27 AM »
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Something that I've noticed about memes used by the left is that very few of them are inspirational. They're about tearing things down without offering a better alternative. Their memes are petty and trite, attempting to shame and dehumanize anyone that doesn't already agree with them. It's a reflection of the left themselves, who are harsh to their enemies and offer no chance of redemption. Once you fuck up, that's it.

Take a look at this list of "Best 2016 Presidential Election Memes"
https://www.bustle.com/articles/102064-the-best-2016-presidential-election-memes-for-your-viewing-pleasure-a-definitive-roundup-by-candidate

If you can't be bothered or don't want to give the site clicks, here's the summary: there are several dozen memes, but only a handful that could be considered to have a positive message (unsurprisingly, those are mostly Bernie memes). The majority are about how dumb the Republican candidates are, with the usual 'Trump said something dumb, let's laugh,' 'all Republicans are liars,' and 'Republicans hate the poor.' Another subset, however, is that people who vote Republican are dumb. Not just dumb, but "actively working against their self-interests." There's one of a Latina voter saying she'll vote for Cruz because she wants someone in office that hates her. If you're a fence sitter, you might get a chuckle out of them. You might even agree with some of them. But they're not going to inspire any positive associations with the Democrats and the call-to-action that goes with it.

Now, this isn't to say the right didn't have any negative memes. But let's take a look at some of the memes used by the right during the election. The first is the God Emperor Trump meme.



It's over-the-top goofy. But it's not negative. This meme can have an effect on someone that has no idea about the Warhammer 40k universe because it's a positive depiction. Even if it looks ridiculous, it still conveys majesty, power, and leadership due to the style that it mimics. The message's delivery is funny, but the message is uplifting. It says "Here's a guy I want to follow." If you have even the barest knowledge of WH40k, it takes on the additional meaning of unity, as Trump is the God Emperor of Mankind, and he's also a Messianic figure that's supposed to lead humanity to a new golden age. This was a meme that really confused the left during the election. The Mary Sue had a whole article that failed to understand it, because they are incapable of separating the message from the source material.

Another meme that was used during the election was Feels Guy crossing into the promised land.



Yes, it's making fun of Bernouts for supporting dumb bullshit, and perhaps even alienates some of them, but the message is clear: You might have supported dumb bullshit, but you're still welcome to join our side.  It's simple, it's positive, and allows for redemption. Now let's pretend the image was created by the left. First, the image would stop with the Bernout living in its filth, depicting their enemies as subhuman trash. Second, the only message being delivered would be that they should be ashamed of themselves for not supporting Hillary. Third, there would be no message of redemption because people who defy the progressive narrative are not seen as worthy of a second chance. None of those messages are positive. To a fence sitter, it comes off as kicking a guy while they're down, which is a turn off as nobody likes seeing an underdog being picked on.

If you support the left's positions, then their memes are effective and reinforcing the group think. That's all they're good for, however. If you deviate from their positions far enough, the philosophy behind its memes is "the (emotional) beatings will continue until you agree 100%." You are not to feel good about yourself until you completely toe the party line. This is not a tool that works when it comes to converting people to your side. Yes, humor is a yuge part of why the right is so effective at memes, but the other part is that it sometimes offers an inspirational message too.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2017, 04:24:37 AM »
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Can you fags take your stupid slapfights somewhere else? This is actually interesting.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2017, 06:02:14 AM »
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Realistically it's very hard to write humor when your other hobby is policing everyone for "microaggressions".
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2017, 08:38:09 AM »
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Realistically it's very hard to write humor when your other hobby is policing everyone for "microaggressions".

I'd argue that this is the biggest reason why the left can't meme. They have no one (aside from white men) they can laugh at because otherwise they're guilty of an ism. They're also the uptight twats who constantly flip out at the slightest insult to the noble minorities, women, LGBTJHFDSDFYFD.

As such, they come across as humorless to normies. When everything is a sacred cow, you can't have fun.

But yeah, the key with liberal humor is that it's designed not to change minds, but to make themselves feel better and superior. It's designed to alienate people. They think that by shaming people they can change minds. Kinda like religion tried.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2017, 01:27:26 PM »
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A few acquaintances were floating this in a general discussion and it hit a lot of the notes that we were just talking about.  I blacked out the non-applicable items but if you want to see the original then click this.

If you want to squash any sort of laughter out of your tribe, here's a blueprint on how to do it.

1. If you deny that you're racist, that's racism.
2. If you tell a racist joke, that's racism
3. If you hear someone tell a joke that you think might be racist and you don't confront them, that's racist.
4. If you tell a joke and someone else finds it racist, then it's racist and you're racist.  ("It's just a joke!")
5. If you get #4-ed and try and deny that you're racist, see #1.

Now imagine you agree with this and try and fit your humor into that framework.    Please note: this is just racism that we're talking about.  The same rules apply for classism, ableism, *-phobic, etc.  Good luck, I expect a lot of laughs.
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