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Re: Trrroooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnsss
« Reply #15325 on: January 13, 2017, 03:21:05 PM »
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Woman who are good with technology are so hot.   I can't wait to cup that sexxxy lady's ballsack and stroke her throbbing cock.

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« Reply #15326 on: January 13, 2017, 03:23:37 PM »
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Of course, the "proper" reaction is to treat a troon like a five year old playing hide and seek for the first time. 

"What transsexual?  All I see are three perfectly normal sexy ladies.  Aren't no men in that picture that I can see."

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« Reply #15327 on: January 13, 2017, 03:28:33 PM »
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Of course, the "proper" reaction is to treat a troon like a five year old playing hide and seek for the first time. 

"What transsexual?  All I see are three perfectly normal sexy ladies.  Aren't no men in that picture that I can see."

This analogy is wonderful and beautiful and I want to write it on a piece of rice paper and attach it to a balloon and set it free in the springtime over beautiful lush fields and forests dotted with cottages, windmills, and children walking barefoot to school with their books in a belt and a shiny red apple to present the school marm.


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« Reply #15328 on: January 13, 2017, 04:54:41 PM »
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KF goin' hard on the troon thread. I'm glad that they pointed out how the troon hugbox shits up all the ladychat threads, too.  There is ironically nowhere for cis women on SA to go to talk about shit that doesn't instantly become a validation parade for the oh-so-special PoC/trans/QUILTBAGs.  The one, ONE place where you can tell actual cis girls post is the pregnancy thread and that's half anxious dads.

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« Reply #15329 on: January 13, 2017, 05:02:38 PM »
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KF goin' hard on the troon thread. I'm glad that they pointed out how the troon hugbox shits up all the ladychat threads, too.  There is ironically nowhere for cis women on SA to go to talk about shit that doesn't instantly become a validation parade for the oh-so-special PoC/trans/QUILTBAGs.  The one, ONE place where you can tell actual cis girls post is the pregnancy thread and that's half anxious dads.

Yeah. I really think we might have enough material from them to hold a proper troon beauty pageant again. That thread was just wonderful and horrific and fun all at once, like sex with a broad on her period.

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« Reply #15330 on: January 13, 2017, 06:53:36 PM »
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KF goin' hard on the troon thread. I'm glad that they pointed out how the troon hugbox shits up all the ladychat threads, too.  There is ironically nowhere for cis women on SA to go to talk about shit that doesn't instantly become a validation parade for the oh-so-special PoC/trans/QUILTBAGs.  The one, ONE place where you can tell actual cis girls post is the pregnancy thread and that's half anxious dads.

the troonification of ladychat is why i came here actually. the radfem phase was bad enough but the troon shit and GET THE TERF shit disgusted me too much

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« Reply #15331 on: January 13, 2017, 07:16:46 PM »
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So basically ladychat was Troonchat 2.0 by that point. There's a special coincidence that can be drawn but we all know what it is already...

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« Reply #15332 on: January 13, 2017, 08:18:46 PM »
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Does anyone have links to the old ladychat threads.  I remember them as being funny for all the wrong reasons.

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« Reply #15333 on: January 13, 2017, 11:47:43 PM »
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lmao it's not as bad as gender studies but it's pretty close.

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« Reply #15334 on: January 14, 2017, 04:38:09 AM »
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For anyone wondering why FtM trannies tend to not be attention whoring fucksteaks:
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The general consensus of the research I have found is that the brain and the body develop at separate times, and therefore odd deformities and discrepancies between the two happen and cause people to identify as trans. This is more common in biological females than in males from what I've been able to gather, and could be a strong reason that more often than not, when removing genderspecials like Milo out of the picture and focusing on specifically FtM individuals, you see the vast majority of them just living their lives and not being total lolcows. They likely have far less to gain and more to lose when it comes to the SJW aspect, and from what I know, they often transition quietly through the proper venues, without a problem.

from here.

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« Reply #15335 on: January 14, 2017, 09:11:02 AM »
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For anyone wondering why FtM trannies tend to not be attention whoring fucksteaks:
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The general consensus of the research I have found is that the brain and the body develop at separate times, and therefore odd deformities and discrepancies between the two happen and cause people to identify as trans. This is more common in biological females than in males from what I've been able to gather, and could be a strong reason that more often than not, when removing genderspecials like Milo out of the picture and focusing on specifically FtM individuals, you see the vast majority of them just living their lives and not being total lolcows. They likely have far less to gain and more to lose when it comes to the SJW aspect, and from what I know, they often transition quietly through the proper venues, without a problem.

from here.

this is a retarded oversimplification by someone who has no experience in neuroscience and research besides reading wikipedia, likely written by an undergrad student that has some access to journals that came with their university e-mail account.

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« Reply #15336 on: January 14, 2017, 01:35:56 PM »
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I don't know anything much about the topic myself (programmer here, not even remotely a neuroscientist) but it'd probably be really helpful if you told the class why his post is a poorly researched oversimplification rather than just saying it is. Give us the fucking scoop.

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« Reply #15337 on: January 14, 2017, 02:55:21 PM »
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I don't know anything much about the topic myself (programmer here, not even remotely a neuroscientist) but it'd probably be really helpful if you told the class why his post is a poorly researched oversimplification rather than just saying it is. Give us the fucking scoop.

The language they use in their TLDR is a pretty big clue.  So is the fact that they don't link to the research beyond 3 cherry-picked papers.

This is 100% untrue.

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Dysphoria is a thing, however, not something everyone could understand or experience, and usually in those instances there's evidence of a physical misalignment or clear chemical data that shows you have a deficiency or some other chemical imbalance in your brain.

Credible researchers have been looking for markers for a long time and it's simply not the case that there's evidence of "physical misalignment" or "chemical imbalance".   Trans youth have exactly the same hormone levels as cis youth.  Imaging tells us nothing.  This is why the puberty blocker issue is so controversial.  Research shows that the majority of youth who identify as trans "grow out of" it but we have literally no way to know which ones won't, which means puberty blockers are currently being given to the majority in order to benefit the minority.

Critics and supporters alike wish that there were definitive markers - we could just order a few images and blood tests in that case - but there aren't.  Being able to objectively identify dysphoria wouldn't make "tucutes" go away, though.  We'd still have to classify them as having some kind of disorder and decide how it's best treated.

There are certainly some valid questions to be asked about the relationship between disorders which interfere with normal inhibitions (most severe developmental delays, dementia, TBI, etc) and "tucuteness".  Answering those questions is going to take longitudinal studies with control groups.  Even if the links are confirmed, it won't necessarily give us useful information about how to proceed.

We kind of went through this with the hunt for a gay gene.  A lot of people wanted one to be found so that the "lifestyle choice" narrative could be refuted but others felt that finding a physical cause would establish being gay as a "birth defect" to be identified and treated (and that people may even test for it prenatally).

This is just bullshit dressed up as scientifically informed opinion.  It's the equivalent of the (untrue) "depression is caused by a chemical imbalance" argument.

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The only thing is, almost all of these instances have names already put to them, and can usually be shown on physical inspection, through blood testing, or through brain scans. Not everyone has any way to actually know whether or not they have the wrong chemicals pumping through their bodies, and not many of them are actually permanently treatable beyond physical transition. The only difference is that those who transition and have those types of issue are almost always much happier and better off, and usually a lot more mentally stable to begin with beyond the typical depression or anxiety that comes with actual dysphoria. They could all likely have themselves tested for any chemical imbalances or abnormalities quite easily for confirmation, but it usually isn't required.
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« Reply #15338 on: January 14, 2017, 03:06:28 PM »
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Thank you, that was informative. I figured the 'well there are visible differences' thing was bullshit, because male and female brains have little appreciable functional difference, which is not reflected in troons. If you could tell someone was a troon before they trooned out or could identify points of possible troondom, you wouldn't have to go through a daylong battery of investigation for a proper GID diagnosis.

I won't pretend to know anything more about the topic than I actually do, I've just been trying to keep an eye on the studies that actively challenge the troon narrative.

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« Reply #15339 on: January 14, 2017, 03:06:42 PM »
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Trans youth have exactly the same hormone levels as cis youth.  Imaging tells us nothing.  This is why the puberty blocker issue is so controversial.  Research shows that the majority of youth who identify as trans "grow out of" it but we have literally no way to know which ones won't, which means puberty blockers are currently being given to the majority in order to benefit the minority.

all you need to know about kids "identifying" as trans is that the map of it looks exactly like electoral-votes-by-county.jpg

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« Reply #15340 on: January 14, 2017, 03:17:04 PM »
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Thank you, that was informative. I figured the 'well there are visible differences' thing was bullshit, because male and female brains have little appreciable functional difference, which is not reflected in troons. If you could tell someone was a troon before they trooned out or could identify points of possible troondom, you wouldn't have to go through a daylong battery of investigation for a proper GID diagnosis.

I won't pretend to know anything more about the topic than I actually do, I've just been trying to keep an eye on the studies that actively challenge the troon narrative.

I oversimplified it.  There is more research being done, especially with trans youth, and it may eventually provide some useful information.

Retrospective studies may eventually be useful, too.

One problem is that because such a small proportion of people turn out to be trans, you'd have to follow an extremely large cohort for a couple of decades to try to come up with meaningful information.  Then you'd have to replicate that research with another large, long-term study to confirm it.

Right now we're at the "we don't really know why but we're going to treat it anyway" stage, which means both identifying the "disorder" and treating it are based largely on trial and error.  Mental health in general has worked that way for decades, but troons want to insist that trans isn't a mental health disorder just a natural variation.

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« Reply #15341 on: January 14, 2017, 03:21:20 PM »
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Lol, "natural variation". Troons are deluded enough to think something like this is a natural variation now:


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« Reply #15342 on: January 14, 2017, 03:33:16 PM »
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Lol, "natural variation". Troons are deluded enough to think something like this is a natural variation now:

They're somewhat right in that how masculine or feminine people feel has always been a spectrum.  Tomboys have always existed as have effeminate men.  Until a few decades ago, being at the extreme ends of those spectrums was seen as related to sexuality - masculine women and effeminate men were presumed to be gay.

Troons now want to argue that those feelings make you trans, but also that not having them makes you trans (and thus you can be a bearded lady or a tits galore man).  Which is why we now have Zoe Quinn claiming to be "trans".

I don't know about men, but I do know that every cis woman I know fluctuates a fair bit in how feminine they feel from one time to another.  That doesn't mean they're not cis, and most wouldn't even entertain the idea that it does.  Liking "boy" things sometimes and liking "girl" things other times is not a pathology.  It's not even "gender non-conforming" because second-wave feminism pretty much broke those traditional stereotypes - that's how we ended up with "sensitive new age guys" and "metrosexuals".

In troon minds, Jo from Little Women is probably "trans".

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« Reply #15343 on: January 14, 2017, 03:38:22 PM »
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Lol, "natural variation". Troons are deluded enough to think something like this is a natural variation now:

They're somewhat right in that how masculine or feminine people feel has always been a spectrum.  Tomboys have always existed as have effeminate men.  Until a few decades ago, being at the extreme ends of those spectrums was seen as related to sexuality - masculine women and effeminate men were presumed to be gay.

In troon minds, Jo from Little Women is probably "trans".

I was ranting about this to a friend of mine the other day. This new approach to "gender identity" ends up being even more reductionist than what they were trying to claim existed before.

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« Reply #15344 on: January 14, 2017, 03:47:41 PM »
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I was ranting about this to a friend of mine the other day. This new approach to "gender identity" ends up being even more reductionist than what they were trying to claim existed before.

It is.  They're trying to undo everything which 1960s/70s and early 80s feminists worked for.  They're even trying to control how cis women are allowed to refer to themselves  "Bleeders" used to be a derogatory term for women and yet now troons want "menstruators" to be used by organisations in the name of "inclusiveness".  We're no longer allowed to refer to "pregnant women" because not all pregnant people identify as women?  The whole "pregnant couples" thing was bad enough without this shit.

They hijacked the feminist agenda so completely that it's no wonder they have as much trouble finding allies among cis women as they do finding allies among gay men.  They're pretty much at the stage now where the gay rights movement was before it wisely dropped the whole NAMBLA thing from its platform.

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« Reply #15345 on: January 14, 2017, 03:58:42 PM »
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I was ranting about this to a friend of mine the other day. This new approach to "gender identity" ends up being even more reductionist than what they were trying to claim existed before.

It is.  They're trying to undo everything which 1960s/70s and early 80s feminists worked for.  They're even trying to control how cis women are allowed to refer to themselves  "Bleeders" used to be a derogatory term for women and yet now troons want "menstruators" to be used by organisations in the name of "inclusiveness".  We're no longer allowed to refer to "pregnant women" because not all pregnant people identify as women?  The whole "pregnant couples" thing was bad enough without this shit.

They hijacked the feminist agenda so completely that it's no wonder they have as much trouble finding allies among cis women as they do finding allies among gay men.  They're pretty much at the stage now where the gay rights movement was before it wisely dropped the whole NAMBLA thing from its platform.

Lol all that strife and we're back to being defined by genitalia, but now in a way that has nothing to do with biological reality.

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« Reply #15346 on: January 14, 2017, 04:02:21 PM »
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All that the "trans movement" has done is create a hellish new atmosphere for women and children, because a lot of genderspecials push this shit on their poor, malleable kids and a lot of the more innately masculine types like LMO are trying to get into womens' only spaces because... they get off to being allowed inside the secret club, at the very least. At worst, they harm women and girls in those spaces.

Anyone who convinces their child that something is innately wrong with having a penis and growing up a healthy boy or whatever, and gets him to take puberty blockers that will surely fuck his health over, is among the worst parents in history. I have no tolerance for that shit. It's child abuse, and even a form a sexual abuse at that.

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« Reply #15347 on: January 14, 2017, 04:36:11 PM »
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All that the "trans movement" has done is create a hellish new atmosphere for women and children, because a lot of genderspecials push this shit on their poor, malleable kids and a lot of the more innately masculine types like LMO are trying to get into womens' only spaces because... they get off to being allowed inside the secret club, at the very least. At worst, they harm women and girls in those spaces.

Anyone who convinces their child that something is innately wrong with having a penis and growing up a healthy boy or whatever, and gets him to take puberty blockers that will surely fuck his health over, is among the worst parents in history. I have no tolerance for that shit. It's child abuse, and even a form a sexual abuse at that.

It's Munchausen's by proxy.  These parents get endless attention and make a lot of money out of their children being gendersnowflakes.  Avery Jackson's mother has founded a business based around it, ffs.  She charges money to fly around the country "educating" people on trans issues.  I've seen a bit of pushback from trans people about that.

She spends most of each interview telling people what a wonderful parent she is.  Avery is just a tool for marketing herself as the most supportive parent ever.

Traditional pageant/stage mums have nothing on these people.
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« Reply #15348 on: January 14, 2017, 07:06:44 PM »
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KF has been mass doxing SA troons for the last 90 minutes.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/something-awful-and-friends.9689/page-133#post-2019533

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« Reply #15349 on: January 14, 2017, 07:23:42 PM »
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KF has been mass doxing SA troons for the last 90 minutes.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/something-awful-and-friends.9689/page-133#post-2019533

SA mods know about it and have only warned ladythread posters.

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