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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2013, 08:19:43 AM »
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A question here, is it true that in the UK you can be charged if you assault someone like a burgular or some angry junkhead on your own property?

Depends on the circumstances, but yes. We don't have the same culture of violence that you have in the US, so shit like home invasions are pretty much unheard of. House breakers, for the most part, tend to only target houses they're pretty sure are empty and if they do get confronted they run like hell. That's where assault charges come in, because you're beating the shit out of someone that's trying to get away from you, therefore it's not covered by self defence. See Tony Martin, who shot two guys in the back as they ran away.

It may sound wrong to you guys, but I'm far happier with things being that way than with every burglar carrying a knife or a piece and me getting killed because I came downstairs at the wrong time.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2013, 08:24:09 AM »
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And in cases when burglar decides not to run, but attack? I originally meant to ask that specific but well. Would court accept self defense? Also do you have the right to stop someone that just screwed up with your property and runs away? Like tackle him.
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2013, 08:32:22 AM »
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And in cases when burgular decides not to run, but attack? I originally meant to ask that specific but well. Would court accept self defense?

Yes, they would. Which is why burglars don't go about armed, because if they did you'd have a solid self-defence case right from the start.

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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2013, 04:11:08 PM »
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We don't have the same culture of violence that you have in the US

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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2013, 04:22:46 PM »
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We don't have the same culture of violence that you have in the US

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ye, and that fag-tied-to lantern pole burning in Scotland last year doesn't count  :nixon:

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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2013, 07:51:37 PM »
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fyi but shooting a fleeing burglar in the back isn't a clear cut 'welp they're innocent it was self defense daggummit!' in the us but hey keep buying into the hype.

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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2013, 08:10:17 PM »
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Fearon was again jailed for 18 months on 6 February 2003 for dealing in heroin.[9] Controversy was again provoked, in July 2003 when Fearon left Ranby prison after serving less than a third of his 18-month sentence - just days before Martin's release. The Home Secretary, David Blunkett requested an explanation from the head of the prison service.[10]
On 2 September 2003 Fearon was arrested for taking a Toyota Land Cruiser on 24 August without the owner's consent.[11] On 9 November 2003, he was found guilty of driving the vehicle without insurance and recalled to prison to serve the remainder of the preceding sentence.[12]
In August 2005 Fearon was arrested with Dean Thompson, accused of drawing out £11,000 from a bank machine using stolen cash cards. Fearon was bailed to appear before magistrates in October.[13]
In February 2006, Fearon was banned from two public houses in Newark. The Crown Court Judge called Fearon "a menace" and issued him with an 18 month community order for his part in causing a large disorder occurring at the said locations.[14]

Yeah, it's good thing Tony Martin didn't kill the other guy too.

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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2013, 09:31:13 PM »
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for taking a Toyota Land Cruiser on 24 August without the owner's consent

Why this sort of language reminds me of SA.. A car theft is a car theft. It's not 'borrowing the car for a short period of time and forgetting to ask the permission of the owner'. And in some countries that ass would have gotten from 3 months arrest up to 1-3 years of jail  :putin:


Violence never solves violence, am I right? Nah, of course not, you gotta act first so the bad guy got no time to do shit :clint: Part joke part truth.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2013, 12:46:17 AM »
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This just in the from the "Believe It When We See It" bureau:

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Find work in six months or no benefits, migrants are told: Tough-talking PM vows 'radical' action


New EU migrants will be stripped of jobless benefits after six months, David Cameron will pledge today. Determined to end Britain’s ‘something for nothing’ reputation, the Prime Minister is to restrict access to healthcare, social housing and handouts.

A more radical plan to ban new arrivals from claiming benefits at all in their first year was dropped for fear of breaching EU law. Mr Cameron will use a major speech to say net migration needs to ‘come down radically’ after getting ‘badly out of control’ under Labour.

The centrepiece of his reforms is a limit of six months on the right of EU nationals to claim out-of-work benefits.

From January, those who cannot show they are on the verge of securing a job will have their benefits stopped.

The Prime Minister will also unveil a crackdown on so-called health tourism, with hospitals ordered to start charging foreign visitors. Those from outside the EU will need health insurance before being granted a visa.

There will be a major shake-up of council housing rules designed to keep immigrant families off waiting lists for at least two years and possibly as many as five. Town halls will have to stop allowing migrants to jump the queue – last year around 32,000 of the 360,000 available council homes went to foreigners.

The measures were described as ‘amongst the toughest in the world’ by immigration minister Mark Harper. They are a response to public fears of an influx of thousands of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria when movement restrictions are lifted at the end of this year. The Government is also anxious about growing support for the UK Independence Party, which has fed on concern about the impact of mass immigration.

There is nothing however in the proposals to stops migrants travelling here from the poorer parts of Eastern Europe.

The bid to cap eligibility for benefits to six months will put the Government on collision course with Brussels, which zealously guards the right to free movement across Europe.  Ministers will make the case that after six months migrants will have ‘exhausted’ their right to look for work in this country.

[Ed: wot wot?  Ministers making sense?  Realizing that "movement" is not the same as "residency"?]

Sources say they are confident of winning an expected legal challenge at the European Court of Justice.

Mr Cameron will say: ‘Ending the something for nothing culture needs to apply to immigration as well as welfare.  ‘We’re going to give migrants from the European Economic Area a very clear message. Just like British citizens, there is no absolute right to unemployment benefit.’

The Government will also seek to close a loophole which enables illegal over-stayers to continue claiming benefits when their visas expire.

And ministers will try to toughen up the rules on the  habitual residency test which governs how quickly migrants can start claiming in-work benefits such as tax credits.

But Tory councillor Mike Jones, speaking for the Local Government Association, criticised the housing proposals. He said: ‘If they are in the country legally we have a responsibility to do things that are right for people and that’s housing.’

And the Bishop of Dudley, David Walker, said: ‘Public fears around immigration are like fears around crime. They bear little relationship to the actual reality.’

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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2013, 01:01:59 AM »
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So they gonna seek to close all the loopholes and change bullshit with claiming benefits, meaning that all the years before.. holy shit, uk :frenchstare:

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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2013, 12:02:42 PM »
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Depends on the circumstances, but yes. We don't have the same culture of violence that you have in the US, so shit like home invasions are pretty much unheard of. House breakers, for the most part, tend to only target houses they're pretty sure are empty and if they do get confronted they run like hell. That's where assault charges come in, because you're beating the shit out of someone that's trying to get away from you, therefore it's not covered by self defence. See Tony Martin, who shot two guys in the back as they ran away.

A local TV channel shows English reality TV shows late at night and I caught one episode of what was pretty much COPS UK. Among other things it featured a "community officer", a fat ginger man who looked like a pre-op transvestite, getting yelled obscenities at by nearby "ethnic" teenagers and trying to awkwardly roll with the punches and laugh them off.

This would've been bad enough, but later in the show a couple of cops walked in on some darkie breaking into a flat. He'd smashed the window and was in the process of climbing in through it when the rozzers arrived. He tried to claim it was his flat and he'd lost his keys. They looked into it and found out he was lying. After all this, what was the man's punishment? Well he might have to replace the broken window but they weren't sure yet. Boy that'll teach him!

So they gonna seek to close all the loopholes and change bullshit with claiming benefits, meaning that all the years before.. holy shit, uk :frenchstare:

Welcome to Europe. In Finland one of the ministers proposed that Finland start guaranteeing employment for Portuguese and Spanish immigrants because it is their duty and a necessary step to combat "inequality". This at a time when Finland has around 10 - 12% unemployment.
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2013, 01:02:00 PM »
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Depends on the circumstances, but yes. We don't have the same culture of violence that you have in the US, so shit like home invasions are pretty much unheard of. House breakers, for the most part, tend to only target houses they're pretty sure are empty and if they do get confronted they run like hell. That's where assault charges come in, because you're beating the shit out of someone that's trying to get away from you, therefore it's not covered by self defence. See Tony Martin, who shot two guys in the back as they ran away.

A local TV channel shows English reality TV shows late at night and I caught one episode of what was pretty much COPS UK. Among other things it featured a "community officer", a fat ginger man who looked like a pre-op transvestite, getting yelled obscenities at by nearby "ethnic" teenagers and trying to awkwardly roll with the punches and laugh them off.

This would've been bad enough, but later in the show a couple of cops walked in on some darkie breaking into a flat. He'd smashed the window and was in the process of climbing in through it when the rozzers arrived. He tried to claim it was his flat and he'd lost his keys. They looked into it and found out he was lying. After all this, what was the man's punishment? Well he might have to replace the broken window but they weren't sure yet. Boy that'll teach him!

So they gonna seek to close all the loopholes and change bullshit with claiming benefits, meaning that all the years before.. holy shit, uk :frenchstare:

Welcome to Europe. In Finland one of the ministers proposed that Finland start guaranteeing employment for Portuguese and Spanish immigrants because it is their duty and a necessary step to combat "inequality". This at a time when Finland has around 10 - 12% unemployment.

But they're the golden eggs who guarantee our future! Also, nice ethnic vibrations and enriching the gene pool, even though races don't actually exist except when the finns have a poor gene pool or a disposition towards violence and racism.

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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2013, 03:52:04 PM »
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We were covering the welfare state and "chavs" earlier in the thread and the benefit slaves that Thatcher created.  Let's tackle one of the drums that the press/middle class morons/potential employers love to beat about them:

Claim: Benefits scroungers refuse to work more than 16 hours a week because then they'd lose benefits.  What a bunch of scrounging layabouts.

Reality: Minimum wage in the United Kingdom for those in impoverished areas provides little to no alternative.

Some stuff I wrote for the UK Megathread in D&D:

The FT's three part article on how the austerity measures are affecting different parts of the country has been completed (Guildford and Merthyr Tydfil) are now done.

From the Merthyr Tydfil part:


Full article here: http://ig.ft.com/austerity-audit/

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People are reluctant to do part time work for more than 16 hours because they'd be worse off financially.  Instead of whinging that you can't take full advantage of cheap impoverished labour, why not pay a decent wage or offer full time hours, you contemptible shits.

Let's take "youngsters".

Minimum wage for a 16 year old is £3.68 per hour.
Income Support (currently, it's getting cut folks!) for a single 16-24 year old is £56.80.

A 16 hour week earns them a whopping £115.68 a week including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £73.60, because they lose the income support.

Minimum wage for an 18-20 year old is £4.98 per hour.

A 16 hour week earns them £136.48 including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £99.60 per week, losing income support.

Minimum wage for 21 and over is £6.19 per hour.

A 16 hour week earns them £155.84 including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £123.80.

To put it another way, as a 16 year old you need to find a job offering full time hours to just about break even, but wait!  Up until last year, that would have put them over the personal allowance threshold for income tax so they would ideally be looking for 40 hours a week at least, to break even.  On less than 8 grand a year.

If you're a 16 year old looking for work, you don't have any qualifications beyond GCSEs, so good luck getting away from menial labour/minimum wage jobs.  This doesn't even cover the minimum wage for an apprenticeship for under 19 year olds, which is £2.65 per hour.

Let's say you're 21 with an a-level or 2 but haven't bothered with university.  Prospects still aren't great, especially in towns like Merthyr Tydfil, so expect to earn twelve grand a year before tax, with a new shiny personal allowance of £9440, so kiss goodbye to 20% of the £2630 you're paying tax on, minus about £520 in National Insurance, leaving you on 11k a year.  Subtract costs of travelling to work etc from that, as well as paying for your prescriptions.

Say that same 21 year old works 16 hours part time and claims income support.  They'd earn £8,103 per year, net.  If you're like me and have enough regular prescriptions that a prepay card makes sense, subtract £120 from full time hours mister 11 grand a year up there and he's down to £10,880 per year.  So someone tell me why a wage slave should be willing to work more than twice the hours for only £2,777 a year more.

Anyone?  Don't give me any of that "pride" bullshit, because there's no pride in earning less than half the national average income.

To connect the dots for anyone that doesn't get it yet, not a single number I've posted above can be described as a living wage with a straight face.

Yeah, what a bunch of scrounging, sponging fuckers, eh?  It's little wonder there's close to a million unemployed 16-24 year olds when this is their alternative.

This is the effect of Thatcher gutting all of the industries and apprenticeships.  They say apprenticeships are reinstated, but they're a fucking joke, with most employers using them as a loophole to pay <19 year olds an absolute pittance.

With 1 million unemployed and rising among the 16-24 year old demographic, Thatcher's policy of "unemployment creates competition for jobs and drives wages down" couldn't be more true, with no one having any incentive to offer higher than minimum wage to the people that need it the most.  Then people wonder why people on benefits are angry and "can't be arsed".  It's because there's no fucking point.

"Income support" isn't the only form of help they get am I not correct?
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2013, 04:36:10 PM »
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The way the Labour goverment turned tax/welfare into a labyrinthine mess, it's next to impossible for anyone to figure out what bennies they qualify for unless they're a fucking accountant, or putting in a serious amount of research into figuring out how to squeeze every penny out of the system.

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2013, 06:18:24 PM »
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http://youtu.be/z_pwWOJxg-k

Fucking god damned worthless British Punks that don't want to pay for the poors.

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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2013, 07:38:10 PM »
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Quote from: Ninpo
We were covering the welfare state and "chavs" earlier in the thread and the benefit slaves that Thatcher created.  Let's tackle one of the drums that the press/middle class morons/potential employers love to beat about them:

Claim: Benefits scroungers refuse to work more than 16 hours a week because then they'd lose benefits.  What a bunch of scrounging layabouts.

Reality: Minimum wage in the United Kingdom for those in impoverished areas provides little to no alternative.

Some stuff I wrote for the UK Megathread in D&D:

The FT's three part article on how the austerity measures are affecting different parts of the country has been completed (Guildford and Merthyr Tydfil) are now done.

From the Merthyr Tydfil part:


Full article here: http://ig.ft.com/austerity-audit/

:eng99:

People are reluctant to do part time work for more than 16 hours because they'd be worse off financially.  Instead of whinging that you can't take full advantage of cheap impoverished labour, why not pay a decent wage or offer full time hours, you contemptible shits.

Let's take "youngsters".

Minimum wage for a 16 year old is £3.68 per hour.
Income Support (currently, it's getting cut folks!) for a single 16-24 year old is £56.80.

A 16 hour week earns them a whopping £115.68 a week including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £73.60, because they lose the income support.

Minimum wage for an 18-20 year old is £4.98 per hour.

A 16 hour week earns them £136.48 including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £99.60 per week, losing income support.

Minimum wage for 21 and over is £6.19 per hour.

A 16 hour week earns them £155.84 including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £123.80.

To put it another way, as a 16 year old you need to find a job offering full time hours to just about break even, but wait!  Up until last year, that would have put them over the personal allowance threshold for income tax so they would ideally be looking for 40 hours a week at least, to break even.  On less than 8 grand a year.

If you're a 16 year old looking for work, you don't have any qualifications beyond GCSEs, so good luck getting away from menial labour/minimum wage jobs.  This doesn't even cover the minimum wage for an apprenticeship for under 19 year olds, which is £2.65 per hour.

Let's say you're 21 with an a-level or 2 but haven't bothered with university.  Prospects still aren't great, especially in towns like Merthyr Tydfil, so expect to earn twelve grand a year before tax, with a new shiny personal allowance of £9440, so kiss goodbye to 20% of the £2630 you're paying tax on, minus about £520 in National Insurance, leaving you on 11k a year.  Subtract costs of travelling to work etc from that, as well as paying for your prescriptions.

Say that same 21 year old works 16 hours part time and claims income support.  They'd earn £8,103 per year, net.  If you're like me and have enough regular prescriptions that a prepay card makes sense, subtract £120 from full time hours mister 11 grand a year up there and he's down to £10,880 per year.  So someone tell me why a wage slave should be willing to work more than twice the hours for only £2,777 a year more.

Anyone?  Don't give me any of that "pride" bullshit, because there's no pride in earning less than half the national average income.

To connect the dots for anyone that doesn't get it yet, not a single number I've posted above can be described as a living wage with a straight face.

Yeah, what a bunch of scrounging, sponging fuckers, eh?  It's little wonder there's close to a million unemployed 16-24 year olds when this is their alternative.

This is the effect of Thatcher gutting all of the industries and apprenticeships.  They say apprenticeships are reinstated, but they're a fucking joke, with most employers using them as a loophole to pay <19 year olds an absolute pittance.

With 1 million unemployed and rising among the 16-24 year old demographic, Thatcher's policy of "unemployment creates competition for jobs and drives wages down" couldn't be more true, with no one having any incentive to offer higher than minimum wage to the people that need it the most.  Then people wonder why people on benefits are angry and "can't be arsed".  It's because there's no fucking point.

"Income support" isn't the only form of help they get am I not correct?

No, they'll also be getting their rent paid, free prescription drugs, free optician, free dental, and the government will make your national insurance (pension) contributions for you. Also you don't pay tax.

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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2013, 08:50:32 PM »
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Quote from: Ninpo
We were covering the welfare state and "chavs" earlier in the thread and the benefit slaves that Thatcher created.  Let's tackle one of the drums that the press/middle class morons/potential employers love to beat about them:

Claim: Benefits scroungers refuse to work more than 16 hours a week because then they'd lose benefits.  What a bunch of scrounging layabouts.

Reality: Minimum wage in the United Kingdom for those in impoverished areas provides little to no alternative.

Some stuff I wrote for the UK Megathread in D&D:

The FT's three part article on how the austerity measures are affecting different parts of the country has been completed (Guildford and Merthyr Tydfil) are now done.

From the Merthyr Tydfil part:


Full article here: http://ig.ft.com/austerity-audit/

:eng99:

People are reluctant to do part time work for more than 16 hours because they'd be worse off financially.  Instead of whinging that you can't take full advantage of cheap impoverished labour, why not pay a decent wage or offer full time hours, you contemptible shits.

Let's take "youngsters".

Minimum wage for a 16 year old is £3.68 per hour.
Income Support (currently, it's getting cut folks!) for a single 16-24 year old is £56.80.

A 16 hour week earns them a whopping £115.68 a week including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £73.60, because they lose the income support.

Minimum wage for an 18-20 year old is £4.98 per hour.

A 16 hour week earns them £136.48 including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £99.60 per week, losing income support.

Minimum wage for 21 and over is £6.19 per hour.

A 16 hour week earns them £155.84 including income support.

A 20 hour week earns them £123.80.

To put it another way, as a 16 year old you need to find a job offering full time hours to just about break even, but wait!  Up until last year, that would have put them over the personal allowance threshold for income tax so they would ideally be looking for 40 hours a week at least, to break even.  On less than 8 grand a year.

If you're a 16 year old looking for work, you don't have any qualifications beyond GCSEs, so good luck getting away from menial labour/minimum wage jobs.  This doesn't even cover the minimum wage for an apprenticeship for under 19 year olds, which is £2.65 per hour.

Let's say you're 21 with an a-level or 2 but haven't bothered with university.  Prospects still aren't great, especially in towns like Merthyr Tydfil, so expect to earn twelve grand a year before tax, with a new shiny personal allowance of £9440, so kiss goodbye to 20% of the £2630 you're paying tax on, minus about £520 in National Insurance, leaving you on 11k a year.  Subtract costs of travelling to work etc from that, as well as paying for your prescriptions.

Say that same 21 year old works 16 hours part time and claims income support.  They'd earn £8,103 per year, net.  If you're like me and have enough regular prescriptions that a prepay card makes sense, subtract £120 from full time hours mister 11 grand a year up there and he's down to £10,880 per year.  So someone tell me why a wage slave should be willing to work more than twice the hours for only £2,777 a year more.

Anyone?  Don't give me any of that "pride" bullshit, because there's no pride in earning less than half the national average income.

To connect the dots for anyone that doesn't get it yet, not a single number I've posted above can be described as a living wage with a straight face.

Yeah, what a bunch of scrounging, sponging fuckers, eh?  It's little wonder there's close to a million unemployed 16-24 year olds when this is their alternative.

This is the effect of Thatcher gutting all of the industries and apprenticeships.  They say apprenticeships are reinstated, but they're a fucking joke, with most employers using them as a loophole to pay <19 year olds an absolute pittance.

With 1 million unemployed and rising among the 16-24 year old demographic, Thatcher's policy of "unemployment creates competition for jobs and drives wages down" couldn't be more true, with no one having any incentive to offer higher than minimum wage to the people that need it the most.  Then people wonder why people on benefits are angry and "can't be arsed".  It's because there's no fucking point.

"Income support" isn't the only form of help they get am I not correct?

No, they'll also be getting their rent paid, free prescription drugs, free optician, free dental, and the government will make your national insurance (pension) contributions for you. Also you don't pay tax.

So the money is for food? Or is that also free?
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2013, 11:28:16 PM »
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 :madgoon: some of these people are so poor they can only afford the basic satellite channels, you monster

But yes, the money is basically for food, beer, cigarettes, whatever dice. It's nit like food stamps, it's actual cash. Don't forget if they have kids they'll be getting an allowance for that too.
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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2013, 12:29:49 AM »
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:madgoon: some of these people are so poor they can only afford the basic satellite channels, you monster

But yes, the money is basically for food, beer, cigarettes, whatever dice. It's nit like food stamps, it's actual cash. Don't forget if they have kids they'll be getting an allowance for that too.

So you get $85 bucks a week to eat.
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2013, 11:27:24 PM »
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:madgoon: some of these people are so poor they can only afford the basic satellite channels, you monster

But yes, the money is basically for food, beer, cigarettes, whatever dice. It's nit like food stamps, it's actual cash. Don't forget if they have kids they'll be getting an allowance for that too.

So you get $85 bucks a week to eat.

Do they have RACIST FOOD DESERTS in the UK like they do in Amerikkka?  If they don't spend that $85 on McDonalds and other fast food places that offer maximum calories possible per $1 spent, they will literally starve to death right?
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Chomp!  I'll totally be motivated to get off my ass, overcome my social anxiety and fear of failure and go to college once Bernie Sanders gives it to me for free like a handy from Lomos mom in an Arby's Men's room-I mean a Gender Inclusive Rest Facility.

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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2013, 05:27:50 AM »
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UK Men: Women ain't getting pregnant enough, and it's your fucking fault



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How to improve female fertility: avoid selfish men

Women understand it gets harder to become pregnant as they get older. But they don't always have a choice

The new "Get Britain Fertile" campaign features a photograph of presenter Kate Garraway, made up to look elderly and pregnant. Her wrinkles and white hair juxtaposed with a fecund belly illustrate the main thrust of the campaign – to make British women aware of the decline in fertility by their 30s and 40s.

However, is there a grown woman left in Britain who's not already aware of this? Moreover, when are we, as a society, going to address a painful truth: that where timing is concerned, female fertility is not, as is often supposed, controlled exclusively by women, but also very much in the power of the men they are with?

There's much that's well intentioned about GBF. It claims to be aimed at both men and women. Garraway, an ambassador for the campaign, says she feels fortunate to have had children relatively late, and wants women to make "informed choices". However, GBF taps into the culture of misogyny surrounding female fertility. It feeds the urban myth of women "refusing" to have children because of careers, partying, or holding out for Leonardo DiCaprio.

These delusional "picky" females have been figments of the collective imagination for so long they need to be dusted down. Indeed, GBF is accompanied by a survey, stating that many women aged 18-46 are concerned about practicalities: ranging from loss of earnings and workplace inflexibility, to childcare costs and housing. All crucial issues, but for the purpose of this article, let's look at the third of women who say they want children but haven't yet found the right partner.

In my opinion that one-third is an underestimate. Even not finding the right man often turns out to be a euphemism for: "I met him, I spent years with him, but ultimately, he wouldn't have children." Put bluntly, many of these women at their fertile peak didn't refuse anything, their men did.

Like it or not, this is how men influence female fertility and, ultimately, female infertility.
The mere thought is enough to inspire feminist panic: women, not men, should control their fertility. Who could disagree? It's also true that some women don't want children, period. And yet how many of us have met (or even been) the thirty-fortysomething, forced to abandon a long relationship because the man wouldn't start a family?

Such men may feel that the relationship isn't right, or don't want their freedom curtailed, or other reasons, all as valid as a woman making similar decisions. It only becomes unfair, verging on selfish, when men keep such insights to themselves for too long. These are the time-wasters, what I'd term the fertility-drifters, who think nothing of keeping women dangling for years on end.

It's not that these women are pathetic wimps, rather that often they can't win: if they push, they're pushy (humiliating); if they don't push, if they're respectful and patient, they'll waste even more time. Frequently, these men go on to start families with younger women, leaving their original partners scouring dating sites, lampooned as desperadoes on the hunt for viable sperm.

Some might say: "Diddums, that's life." Fine, so long as we acknowledge that this is something many women put up with during their fertile years, and that to castigate them is unfair. Sometimes it's not women who are picky, it's men. Ergo, such men should at least be part of the ongoing debate about late female procreation. After all, a stalled relationship at the wrong time with an immature, untruthful, or simply unwilling, man, is enough to compromise or even destroy a woman's fertility. If the GBF campaign really is aimed at both sexes, perhaps they need to include a photograph of a man with the caption: "Play fair and, by the way, sperm deteriorates too." Meanwhile, women may need another mantra – don't let anyone waste your precious time.

Ladies, the fact that one of you thinks, let alone writes, this shit shows why men hate you all so fucking much.

Back in the good auld days when men held you all in shackles and never let you out of the kitchen because you were always "in the family way", the hue and cry was that society would never advance with only half the population contributing to progress.  Women needed rights and to be seen as equals in all decisions.  Men held too many cards, and that just wasn't fair. 

So, off came the chains, and on went the condoms and voila! you were free.  Only, now the Queen Cooze at the Guardian has penned a remarkably fact-free article which says that women's lib was all a mistake.  Men need to get back to drinking Schlitz, being macho and rapin' babies into those otherwise barren bellies of yours because with women in society, poor men on their own just can't decide how is babby formed at the proper time.

Seriously though, the biggest misogynists in the world are ... women.  Women in the workplace find that first-world issues of class and status have enabled women to be more like men, only at the cost of their fertility, or so she says.  Factor the author's fancy-pants supposin' that men are so cowed by a strong, free woman that they fight back the only way they know how: keeping all their sperm sacred and not wasting any on you and your best babby-ing years.  It's all men's fault, see; if men aren't depriving women the basic societal rights, they're conspiring to keep your womb eternally "tenant-free" by simply avoiding any and all conversations about having kids.  Here's the thing though: It just slipped our minds! For decades. We thought you were gonna bring it up and then ... whoopsie! Really! My bad.

And you long-suffering ladies have no (read: ZERO) say in this. The strong modern women is incapable of asking her frail little kitten of a man if he's interested in babbying up for some twenty-odd years, UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE!!!!!    Ah hahahahaha! You fell for the oldest trick in the book!  Aren't you all SO STUPID!?! This clever author has figured out the global cabal of male conspiracy-ness: no questions ever.   Not about what we want for dinner, or whether we want to go to that open house.  And definitely none about chilluns.

No, women are once again freed from the tedium of decision making by evil men; we get off on making them wait until their spinsterhood when their once fertile crescents are now rocky places where no seed can find purchase.  So, the author seems to say: it's far better to be a thoughtless cow, whelping your litter in blissful ignorance than to be sentient and all too aware of your future as a harridan, unloved and alone.  This is the choice that men have left you.

Fucking cunts, all of you.
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2013, 02:20:39 PM »
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2013, 03:47:11 PM »
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Perhaps it is that men know that their lives can be dramatically changed on a whim if the woman decides "marriage" is not for them anymore.  Women have been massive advances in the workplace, yet the laws remain in their original housewife format.  So they is no need for them to stick through any relationship.  Especially when there is 20% of there ex's income coming to them for the next 18 years, medical/dental/life for their kid(s), and 1/2 to all of their child's daycare all the way up to college covered.

Sounds like a great deal to me.  Where do I make more babby?

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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2013, 05:08:53 PM »
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If your boyfriend doesn't want to have a baby, just store some of his sperm after sex and use it to impregnate yourself  :goonette:
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Re: Re: Decline of the UK megathread
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2013, 11:36:09 AM »
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If your boyfriend doesn't want to have a baby, just store some of his sperm after sex and use it to impregnate yourself  :goonette:

No woman has ever done this, how dare you.  :parsons: