GBS > Woman in Lincoln, NE assaulted in her apartment, left to burn

[Eugene Bullard]

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3497671


Possible hate crime sets off bullshit alarms, even for goons, because of similarity to other faked attacks. Goons freak out, propose toxx, but balk when the same is proposed to them. Hysterics, goonrage, etc. It's late, so this is a shitty OP. Read it yourself.

[Justice Dredd]

Read the thread the other day. Slo-tek made an innocuous comment about how he wouldn't be surprised if it was a hoax, considering all the other hoaxes recently involving disfigurement/carving in letters.

I'm in the same camp. Everything about the crime seems strange. As dramatic, clear-cut evidence of a hate crime as possible in the middle of a flurry of activity around a proposed vote? By three masked men who knew of her sexual orientation, who hated her in particular so much that they were going to break into her house and torture and kill her, and made sure to spraypaint "We Found u Dyke" on the walls.

Come on. Every other hate crime has usually been found based off of the victim testimony ('they called me faggot while they beat the shit out of me'), or surrounding some other evidence like the recent shooting of a lesbian couple in Texas. I can't think of anything that's been as dramatic as this.

[BubbaCat]

I refuse to go past the first page, but I saw slo-tek got a red title assigned over this one.

I am so MAD!  Let me spend $5 to let you know that!!  Take that you cisgendered creatin!!!

Slo-Tek
Title: YOU WERE MUTILATED AND BEATEN AND HAD YOUR HOUSE WAS SET ON FIRE? WELL I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SEE SOME PROOF OF THAT, YOU'RE PROBABLY FAKING IT

Edit:  I went to the last pages to look for developments and saw this exchange between two goons:

I didn't assume the victim was lying, If you're going to criticise my posts please actually read them.

It doesn't matter if you yourself did or not, your comparison was directed at people objecting to posts assuming she was lying.

Goons: Proving that is actually is possible to Divide by Zero.

[Spokker]

"This is NOT okay" in the first fucking post.

Yes, we know it's not okay faggot. Where do these phrases come from?

[Justice Dredd]

I refuse to go past the first page, but I saw slo-tek got a red title assigned over this one.

I am so MAD!  Let me spend $5 to let you know that!!  Take that you cisgendered creatin!!!

Slo-Tek
Title: YOU WERE MUTILATED AND BEATEN AND HAD YOUR HOUSE WAS SET ON FIRE? WELL I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SEE SOME PROOF OF THAT, YOU'RE PROBABLY FAKING IT

lol it's actually 10 dollars to change someone else's avatar and 5 to change your own. tbh it's probably one of the most ingenious systems ever because it relies on the fact that nerds will piss away money on anything, especially for the opportunity to be passive aggressive and get the last word in.

[Justice Dredd]

of course rape has to get brought up:

in regards to police saying there was no signs of forced entry--

Because 3 people couldn't push open an answered door the rest of the way. What the fuck is your problem? Do you also claim women wouldn't get raped if they didn't dress like sluts? Or do you go with regretted having consensual sex?

^^^^ Also what this guy is saying. Having people immediately react with doubt towards the victim is something that causes actual, real harm. It's equivalent to people who immediately ask "is she lying?" when a girl claims to be a rape victim.

Quick question: When you hear or read a story about a woman being raped, are one of your first thoughts, "Was she dressed like a slut?"

For the record I openly support gay rights and unlike the op wholeheartedly do give a fuck if someone has a problem with that. I'm just afraid that a hoax would be fantastic propaganda for the morality brigade to present themselves as 'innocent victims' of some kind of machiavellian chicanery again. The same way every false rape accusation covered heavily in the media does aggregate harm to all women. There are bad people who would happily capitalise on this being revealed a hoax, especially in light of how the LGBT community have rallied in its wake.

second class internet citizen's second postulate: any thread that discusses human beings on GBS must include either some form of racism accusation or relate the topic to rape and victim-blaming.

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v4.0]

The funny thing is why anyone even bothers posting in a thread like this if they are going to say anything other than the groupthink. It's like a honeypot so the activists can have a strawman to beat up.

[Justice Dredd]

Jose Mengelez was eventually banned for not comparing it enough to rape and victim blaming:

Why do you people seem to think I want this to be a hoax? Serious question.

Even if this was a hoax I'd expect the victim to receive just as much sympathy as if those wounds weren't self inflicted that's almost as awful but at least that's a problem that could be treated and see some kind of resolution. If it's just another horrendous hate crime then I'll probably never see an end to that in my lifetime.

Sometimes that's just a little too much to bear, I'm holding out to the hope that this nebraska town isn't the hellhole it seems and that this doesn't become some abhorrent fox news talking point used to discredit future victims.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

and of course he re-registered right afterwards. jesus christ people, it's 2012 there's plenty of alternatives to posting on SA stop paying just to get banned. goons are so fucking dumb they don't realize how retarded it is that they pay to post on a website (within vaguely set content guidelines) when there's plenty of others out there.

[BubbaCat]

second class internet citizen's second postulate: any thread that discusses human beings on GBS must include either some form of racism accusation or relate the topic to rape and victim-blaming.

You forgot mccarthyism claims toward any person mentioning of LGBT that is not part of a circle jerk of support.  They are the reason the rethuglicans will always run the US independent of majority.

I want to add "machiavellian chicanery" in some way to my title.  Gonna check into it.  Add in "penultumate" and "whilst," and we have the gold standard in goontalk.

[BubbaCat]

Jose Mengelez was eventually banned for not comparing it enough to rape and victim blaming:

Why do you people seem to think I want this to be a hoax? Serious question.

Even if this was a hoax I'd expect the victim to receive just as much sympathy as if those wounds weren't self inflicted that's almost as awful but at least that's a problem that could be treated and see some kind of resolution. If it's just another horrendous hate crime then I'll probably never see an end to that in my lifetime.

Sometimes that's just a little too much to bear, I'm holding out to the hope that this nebraska town isn't the hellhole it seems and that this doesn't become some abhorrent fox news talking point used to discredit future victims.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

and of course he re-registered right afterwards. jesus christ people, it's 2012 there's plenty of alternatives to posting on SA stop paying just to get banned. goons are so fucking dumb they don't realize how retarded it is that they pay to post on a website (within vaguely set content guidelines) when there's plenty of others out there.

This completely disgusts me.  The guy takes a con approach to a topic, and he still wished nothing but the best for the accuser, and he still gets banned?  That is one of the most f'd up examples I have ever seen quoted here.  That site is absolutely insane now.  As for the re-reg, come on, it's where the smartest people go on the internet.  where will I ever find social peers anywhere else?  And being that I am a betafag who knows nothing but submission, getting kicked and paying for more is a standard goon attribute.

Edit:  I think I got this link here, but this is why people should be skeptical to claims like these and why women should not instantly fall into the victim category.  A blog of nothing but verified news stories of men who were railroaded on false rape claims: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/

[Rocket]

I think my banning has to be the worst in SA history. I did the exact opposite of what I was accused of and people were like, "Uhh, Lowtax... did you see what he did?" And word was Lowtax never changes his mind on a banning, even when he is wrong.

 

But I look back and laugh at myself for getting pissed off about it. Isnoop and Integral both kind of apologized for Lowtax, though. That was funny.

[Justice Dredd]

http://www.shewired.com/soapbox/2012/07/27/lesbian-attacked-alleged-nebraska-hate-crime-speaks-openly-detractors

still skeptical about everything. i doubt it's going to ever be conclusively proved false, but i'm sure that the three nondescript masked men of whom no other description is known will never be found. has there ever been any attack that's even as close to this level of obvious hate crime?

also does anyone remember when that woman in washington splashed acid on herself and faked it? does everyone remember how many goons jumped to expressing their skepticism about how this cisgendered pretty straight white woman would have this happen to her and it was probably fake? oh irony

[Spokker]

Why would someone attack a lesbian? That's some phase chicks go through. Just leave them alone and it'll wear off. I'm joking, of course.

But whatever happened with that lesbian couple killed in Texas? Did they ever figure out motive? They want it so badly to be a hate crime, implying they would care less if it was not a hate crime: http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2012/07/05/oped-hate-could-be-motive-tragedy-hit-texas

Funny thing about this Advocate article is that they commit some anti-racist faux pas when talking about their gay shit. "What made this tragedy more chilling was that it occurred at Violet Andrews Park, which is in an upper-middle-class suburb of Corpus Christi." Anti-racists would jump on you for something like that because it implies violence in less well-to-do communities is normal, haha.

Anyway, I remember when some tranny got set on fire in Detroit and the Yuck Brigade quickly spread the word to "NOT BURN US" and deemed it a hate crime without any evidence. Turns out the well-done tranny was not killed because she was transgendered, but because she had a personal beef with her killer. The motive was retaliation because the tranny was an informant.

[High Impact Sexbot 2020]

Faker than a tranny's vag.

[Justice Dredd]

AHAHAHA IT WAS FAKE SHE'S GETTING CHARGED
http://www.klkntv.com/story/19331547/breaking-news-arrest-warrant-issued-for-alleged-hate-crime-victim?clienttype=printable

Breaking News: Arrest Warrant issued for alleged hate crime victim

Posted: Aug 21, 2012 1:09 PM EDT
Updated: Aug 21, 2012 2:21 PM EDT
 

Charlie Rogers
By: KLKN Newsroom
8@klkntv.com

Breaking News from the Channel 8 Eyewitness Newsroom. The Lancaster County Attorney has issued an arrest warrant for Charlie Rogers, the alleged hate crime victim, for false reporting.

Authorities say they will charge a Nebraska woman with making false statements to police after she claimed last month that three men broke into her Lincoln home, carved anti-gay slurs into her skin and tried to light her house on fire.

Court documents say the doctor who examined Rogers said the cuts were self-inflicted. Also, a Lincoln Hardware store employee told investigators that Rogers purchased the gloves, zip ties, and utility knife at the hardware store.

Lancaster County Attorney Joe Kelly says a judge issued an arrest warrant Tuesday for the 33-year-old Rogers, of Lincoln. Police had spent weeks investigating the case as a hate crime, saying it appeared to be motivated by anti-gay bias.

Rogers told police she was attacked by three masked men July 19. She reportedly crawled from her house, naked, bleeding and screaming for help. Details about the case spread rapidly on the Internet and prompted a rally that drew hundreds of people outside the Nebraska Capitol.

 Rogers is a former Husker Basketball player.

We'll have more on this story tonight at 5, 6 & 10.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3502749

SA thread. calling it now that it's going to be a fucking circlejerk of w-w-w-well you're an awful person for thinking it was fake anyway and probably a sociopath!

[BubbaCat]

Looking at the picture, you'd have to believe her story.  Sorry guys.  She is the victim of a hate crime.  You won't convince me otherwise.

[BubbaCat]

I want to see more substantiation, like what characteristics of the wounds make them seem self-inflicted and whether other experts will agree with that, and how exactly some random hardware store mook remembers one specific woman buying some pretty unmemorable (before the alleged crime) items.

Yes, how could old-fashioned, thorough crime investigation and forensically trained experts come to such a conclusion?  I mean I rarely remember seeing amazonian dykes buying only crime-related items in my hardware store that passes out receipts, tracks transactions, and has security cameras.

[Rocket]

It's elementary school logic, dear Fatson.

[Justice Dredd]

ahahaahahahaha

An arrest is not a conviction. A lot of people are forgetting that.

Is it crazy to find it equally hard to believe that the woman was seriously mentally disturbed and self-mutilated/bound herself as it is that some web of conspiracy is in place that is trying to discredit her?

Not to say that the latter is the case, but Christ alive, this is just a warrant for her arrest, and yet nearly every post in this thread so far has already arrived at the verdict that, not only is she guilty of fabricating this whole thing, but she did this with the motivations of a healthy sane person, and is therefore reprehensible. At this point, even if a judge and jury comes away with the conclusion she needs to be put in a straight jacket, it's you people who are fucking sick.

and as well as 1000 times of well she is clearly insane and shouldn't be punished.

[Harry D Greek]

  Hahaha, great news. I love seeing some holier than thou Goons eat some crow.

[High Impact Sexbot 2020]

Please tell me what's "reasonable" about assuming that an alleged victim of a hate crime is faking it, before any evidence is out to that effect 

The fact that it's shaken out this way doesn't necessarily mean that anyone who jumped to that conclusion isn't a bag of poo poo.

Got a frontal lobe? You're a bag of shit! 

[furly_ghost]

Dont be ridiculous, theres always someone or something else to blame.

How in the name of gently caress are you ignorant reactionary pieces of poo poo angry at this woman and not the complete negligence of the US government in providing baseline acceptable standards of mental health care to its citizens?

Have to echo the quoteOP's sentiment here. People wouldn't have self-esteem issues (and therefore would not feel compelled to fabricate violent crimes) if we had adequate socialized healthcare that provided regular self-affirmation services.

edit: Or are you saying that being gay is a mental illness? Not sure if that is what you meant, but I would have to strongly object to that.

[High Impact Sexbot 2020]

From about page 3 the goons really start shredding into each other and it's magical 

Page 4 it really starts poppin' fresh. Everyone come watch the retards fight in the ball pit!

[High Impact Sexbot 2020]

How in the name of gently caress are you ignorant reactionary pieces of poo poo angry at this woman and not the complete negligence of the US government in providing baseline acceptable standards of mental health care to its citizens?

 

I think MonsterUnderYourBed posts in the troon threads btw 

[Justice Dredd]

How in the name of gently caress are you ignorant reactionary pieces of poo poo angry at this woman and not the complete negligence of the US government in providing baseline acceptable standards of mental health care to its citizens?

 

I think MonsterUnderYourBed posts in the troon threads btw 

naw not a troon, I checked the thread. the sheer amount of mental gymnastics goons go through is amazing. rogers is a fucking business owner, i'm sure she was capable of affording health insurance.