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itt goons who have never lived or interacted with "low income communities" beyond token encounters post how to fix it

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3500298

Quote from: Dr. Arbitrary
In general I think a big part of it is that current policies are extremely destructive towards families. When you put a parent in jail, especially for nonviolent crime, you damage the family.

On the other side, the way welfare eligibility works, it's extremely dangerous to have two parents living in a home. If dad starts bringing in the big bucks of a minimum wage job at 40 hours a week, you're dancing on the edge of losing your home.

yeah except you're probably not going to jail for a nonviolent misdemeanor unless it's not your first offense.

Quote from: stfuDonny
Money and attention. Better community colleges and centers that have cheap/free classes on finance, parenting, resume and job search help, etc. Street scape improvements and grocery stores. Focused after school programs that keep kids in productive places during the worst hours to be out.

Better, more efficient welfare not necessarily just a quantitative increase.

The fact that we have high schools in this country that drop out over half of their class year after year should be viewed as a national emergency. It's a social, economic, and national defense issue and the younger generations are going to have a huuuge mess to (hopefully) clean up.

yes I'm sure that low income families will just flock to those community colleges and take free classes. poor nutrition, financial planning, and the abundance of payday loans are a result of ignorance that must be cured by community colleges, not through common sense or critical thinking.

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Outlaw for profit prisons and legalize all drugs. Without these two changes nothing will ever get better.

legalizing heroin and crack will definitely turn america into a better place.

Quote from: Chamale
A million people keeping two million people behind bars. Imagine 300,000 people working for $25,000 per year to build roads and repair bridges. All of those people would buy groceries, pay bills, and stimulate the economy. America's infrastructure and economy are being cut off at the ankles.

ahaha, yes that's what they would do, use their money responsibly.

Quote from: mugrim
I work at a community re-entry program so this hits pretty close to home.

Reason number 2834 should be child support. It is nearly impossible for most of our clients to successfully transition to the community without going back into crime if the first thing you do with their work check is take almost all of it away.

If the state truly desires a minimum standard for children, and it should, it should be giving single mothers money, hosting education programs on personal finance/cooking, giving free healthcare and housing to mothers and their children, etc.

Policies vary state to state, but taking any amount of money out of a minimum wage earners check is enough to keep them in an even more disturbing level of poverty than before.

And meanwhile the kid is living with his single mother, getting wildly inconsistent funds that definitely do not meet the child's needs.

Quote from: NewtGoongrich
"But that'll create more welfare queens! I don't want Shaniqua and her son Tyrone getting a dollar of my tax money. Niggers negroes The blacks just want their big screen TVs and their refrigerators. Also, I'm not racist. Racism is wrong."

40 years of the Southern strategy at work.

goon debate 101: preemptively call someone who would disagree with you a racist and paint them as a (white) stereotype.

and tht's all just page 1

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I waded through those pages of shit a couple of weeks back and just shook my head.

Goons have had absolutely zero experience with any sort of "real" criminal element and form all their opinions from watching shows like The Wire.

You are correct that you don't end up in prison for a nonviolent misdemeanor first offense.  Hell you don't usually end up in prison for a low level felony so long as you don't have a mile long wrap sheet.  You might do 30 to 90 days in county and then get discharged on parole, but more than likely you'll just get slapped with probation.

Goons live in a world where 70% of the inmate population is in for drug offense which they also presume to be non-violent.  I never once in five years working in a state pen saw an inmate who was "only" in on a drug charge that A) wasn't someone moving some significant weight and who didn't have a record of violent crimes.

Take for instance one guy who I remember quite well (having had him as my orderly on my housing unit for over a year).  He was "only" in on a non-violent drug charge.  He was "only" moving 4 kilos of coke from Chicago into Iowa.  He was "only" a member of the Gangster Disciples.  And he "only" had a prior criminal record that included multiple felony assaults some with deadly weapons.  THINK OF HIS FAMILY!!! WE CAN"T LOCK UP THIS MISUNDERSTOOD YOUTH (30 years old) AND DEPRIVE HIS CHILDREN OF A FATHER (he had 5 kids with 5 women that he knew of).

Fuck goons and when the niggerpocalypse comes I hope they really are foolish enough to try to reason with Treyvon and his brothers.

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Recently my Daughter's mother scheduled a class for our four year old. It was offered by the town for free in the public library. Well, I think it's good for her to mix with the poors occasionally. The point of this "class" was to evaluate the children's literacy for entry into kindergarten. My daughter won't be entering kindergarten per se, but she's been in schools with educational programs since she was 1, so we thought we'd see where she ranked.

Remember, this was a free class offered at the library. Also, this is in a small town in a part of the country with about 28% black population, 25% hispanic and about 2% other. The rest is white.

About half the kids in the class were white. Obviously all the kids had good nutrition and previous education; all had some basic literacy. There was one or two hispanic kids. The rest, I swear to God, were dots. Actually wearing a dot. I said to my daughter's mother, "You're looking at a future engineering class. All these kids will wind up in hard sciences." Not one single black kid in the whole group. Not one. Almost half Indian/Paki in a town where I had no idea they exist. And a couple kids from conservative hispanic families.

That is who gives a damn about their kids' futures.
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Quote from: Sylink
Has there been any studies as to the effects of giving current prisoners real jobs while in prison?

I'm not talking chain gang digging ditches for pennies to earn a biscuit, I mean like taking a prison force and giving them a real job. I'm picturing a prison population (only non-violent trustworthy ones) given a choice of using their existing skills or opportunity to do construction but for wages more along the lines of 30-40k/yr and higher. Full time work but under guard and they only go out for work on a bus to wherever.

I can't imagine some guy busted for drugs returning to his gang if he was handed a real job for the duration of his sentence and came out with at least some skills and money to survive on.

lol, what fucking prison population is this? if they're not in there for a violent crime it's probably going to be related to some form of theft or burglary, the complete opposite of something that's trustworthy. oh wait we're in the goon world where you're incarcerated in San Quentin if you get found with a dimebag.

Quote from: Miss-Bomarc
It's worth pointing out that when you ask teachers what the problem with modern kids is, they almost invariably say "their parents don't care". And the unspoken assumption by the teacher is that there's a mother sitting at home doing nothing all day. More commonly there's a mother--by herself--who's out of the house fourteen hours working, and she cares like hell but has neither the time nor the remaining energy to do anything about it.

yes of course, those single moms are working 70 hour weeks, that's what it is.

Quote from: double negative
What the fuck are we talking about? There are a lot of reasons that some kids choose to be runners or lookouts over the chance for a burger flipping job that have nothing to do with money, and opening up more McDonalds isn't going to make much of a difference.

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Quote from: Sylink
I can't imagine some guy busted for drugs returning to his gang if he was handed a real job for the duration of his sentence and came out with at least some skills and money to survive on.
Oh my God. I literally have no words for this. Like... what?

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This goon Sylink is so far removed from reality that ... I don't know what to say. He is past the point of explanation. He cannot possibly learn.
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Quote from: Sylink
I can't imagine some guy busted for drugs returning to his gang if he was handed a real job for the duration of his sentence and came out with at least some skills and money to survive on.
Oh my God. I literally have no words for this. Like... what?

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This goon Sylink is so far removed from reality that ... I don't know what to say. He is past the point of explanation. He cannot possibly learn.

For being goons to be so anti-bootstrap, that thread sure was extremely bootstrap.  The whole "give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, and teach him to fish and he will eat for life" or whatever... All goons are saying that giving them a job will change their life.  That every man in prison longs for a 30-40K per year job, and only if they had one would their life be all better and they would be constructive and crime free for life.

How about nope.  It is a lifestyle and a mindset.  A life of example cannot be erased with a good job.  It's all about how to get the most with the smallest possibly personal investment.  And if that doesn't work, their sense of entitlement makes is the System's fault for them doing crime "to survive."  Cuz that escalade and those gators are every man's God given right.

Imma get mines.

The best part of of the 30-40K comment is that it automatically would place the criminals in a higher income bracket then your average goon.  Most ghetto folk don't have parents that allow them to be a video game reviewers and blog operators for no pay as a career.  They have to get out and make paper.  And being that no one wants to put in the effort to do it the honest way, they really are not that much different from one another.  They both are leeches of the system.  One is paid by mom and dad, and the other is paid by the gubment.

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How about nope.  It is a lifestyle and a mindset.
Absolutely.

http://www.economist.com/node/13446700

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Whereas in most American cities murders and many other crimes have gone down or remained stable over the past decade, they have gone up in Oakland.

Poverty cannot be the primary reason, says Jack Levin, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston. Oakland has much less poverty than cities such as Hartford, Baltimore or Memphis, which also have high crime rates. Nor is it racial tension, since the overwhelming majority of Oakland's violent crime is black-on-black. In the late 1980s much of it could be blamed on the twin epidemics of crack cocaine and handguns. But today's shootings, often among men who were “crack babies”, are more likely, says Mr Levin, to happen for “respect”.

Respect killings defy reason. A wrong look, a casual gesture, can lead to a full-blown shoot-out. The murders, says Mr Tagami, tend to happen in the two or three areas where black former prisoners—by his estimate, about 7.5% of Oakland's population of 400,000—are to be found. Most of them go in and out of prison, getting more brutal as they go. “Three-time offenders are killing four-time offenders,” he says, because younger criminals are fighting for the turf of older ones, and for the respect of their peer group.
The motivation for these killings is not necessarily money. Therefore, any solution that is contingent on giving them money, either through benefits or giving them a job, is not going to work. This culture has been ingrained into existing criminals and they cannot be reformed.

The only hope is to write off those above a certain age and go in a new direction with the next generation. No more blaming it on whitey, no more expectation of cradle-to-grave government assistance, no more low standards in schools, no more accommodating ghetto culture.

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Guys are niggers starving because they have so few benefits or are they massively obese because they live in food deserts and can only buy junk food? What is the party line this week?

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Why can't it be both?

Hypocrisy has never stopped the left's retarded arguements before.

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