What do you think about the Amy Schumer joke stealing allegations? Or that subject in general?
Edit: I see you touched on it a little earlier, I guess I just want to get a little more in-depth .
I try not to be knee-jerk about it. Sometimes a joke is so easy to come up with that its totally understandable when two comedians both reach it independently. For example, Bill Cosby, George Carlin, and Billy Connolly each came up with a variation of the following joke
"As a kid, you remember being told to say something 'in your own words'? My own words?! I've been using the same words as everyone else! Next time someone says to say something in your own words, do it. 'Quando blump schtando meep blob!'"
Its the kind of joke most people could think of and say on their own, but comedians know to grab those thoughts as they pass through our minds and polish them.
Another example is the whole "So and so wants to build a wall on the border with Mexico...who you think is gonna build it!?" This 'joke' predates Trumps candidacy by a long time, as this video is from 2007:
Here you can see four different comedians tell their variation of the same joke, and even some band singing it and it appearing on protest signs.
All that being said, someone who is an actual joke thief, especially in this day and age where everyone is interconnected and information spreads so fast, tends to get caught with their hand in the cookie jar a bunch of times all in a row. Schumer is mos def a joke thief and I share the sentiment that she's suddenly hiding behind feminism and blaming 'misogyny' for the accusations. Even Mencia eventually fessed up to it and tried to own it.
When I was in college I ran in a certain circuit of the same venues in a 500 mile radius and you learn pretty quick which dudes are running in the same circles and pilfering jokes. The club owners never ever cared, which is infuriating. You almost wish the club owners were MORE pretentious about 'the artform', the way art gallery owners or wrestling promoters are. The people who own those venues take shit super seriously. Most comedy club owners don't give a shit about stealing jokes or whatever as long as you do your time and move booze.
These are great posts on the topic:http://www.pattonoswalt.com/index.cfm?page=spew&id=143http://www.pattonoswalt.com/index.cfm?page=spew&id=144
are you able to make a living off being a comic if you're not a big name? or i think of someone like brian posehn who as far as i can tell occasionally cameos on shows and tours college campuses - does someone like him make much money?
Yes, if you do what I do and mostly do corporate and private work. You would not believe what you can charge corporations/rich people to do an hour at one of their parties. Its like the dudes who make their living in rock bands doing the same thing. Yeah you'll never get famous doing it but I was never interested in that. In fact, not only do I use a stage name, I have a google alert for that name and I keep the internet scrubbed of my performances. I don't even promote myself, my agency does it for me, and its mostly word-of-mouth anyway. I do a good show for some insurance convention, some of those guys tell their buddies who work at a lawfirm, and so on.
What ever happened to Judy Tenuda and Emo Phillips?
I worked with Tenuda once and she's godawful. The old warhorses I know say she sucked unspeakable amounts of cock for stage time building her career in the 80's.
Emo is still on the road, it seemshttp://www.emophilips.com/shows
He is one of the greatest jokewriters of the last century and he will never get the due he was deserved from the general public.
Have you banged any chucklefuckers?
A couple dozen, but I mostly went for college chicks. God bless slutty college girls.
Where do you live again? That says a lot about the local scene I'm sure. Husband listens to some podcast out of Chicago where it sounded like a the stand-up community just exploded because of a false rape accusation.
I live in the middle of nowhere near an airport that can get me p much anywhere. I don't know anyone in the Chicago comedy scene ATM so I have no idea. Most of my buddies in the business are on the coasts. I did visit Chicago a couple months back and Jesus a lot of it was depressing. Its gonna be the next Detroit. Some good eats, tho.
You ever work in Los Angeles at the Laugh Factory, or the Tempe Improv? Do you have any stories about Todd Glass? I saw him on Norm Macdonald's YouTube show once, and I couldn't believe he was a stand up comedian, because he was such an insufferable faggot.
Neither, and I actually kinda like Todd Glass' stuff. His bit about Target/K-mart made me lol p hard.http://picosong.com/8LtV/
From what I hear though, in person he's awful.
In the same way I have to eat shit defending Jaleel White, I love Gallagher. It kinda sucks he's just remember for smashing fruit, because he was a beast in the late 70's and throughout the 80's. His level of output of material during that time rivals Carlin.
So yeah he used props and had a gimmick. So fucking what. That was 10% of his show and it was just a hook. Blues Traveler is a great band, you gonna begrudge them for ending every show with "Run-Around", even after they preceded it with 90 minutes of great music?
If you take some 20 year old now who knows nothing about him and has no bias, and just pop in one of his shows from the 80's, they'll usually like it. Good delivery, clever bits, and lots of surprises. He was a showman.
but then he got old as fuck and became a realtalking racist shitlord and turned the whole comedy world against him.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_(comedian
In the 2010s, Gallagher's act evolved to include jokes widely considered to be racist, homophobic, and xenophobic. In January, 2011, Gallagher walked out of comedian Marc Maron's WTF podcast when Maron continued to ask Gallagher about the allegations, with Gallagher responding that it was five jokes that he had heard on the street out of a 2–3 hour show. Gallagher accused Maron of "taking the other side of everything" he said in the interview.http://splitsider.com/2013/04/gallagher-said-racist-stuff-on-a-podcast-again/
After Gallagher started talking about his idea to build a dam across the U.S./Mexico border, guest Peter Serafinowicz straight up asked Gallagher, “Do you like Mexicans?” “Well, we’ve got enough,” Gallagher responded. He added, “When you say ‘Mexicans,’ do you mean the Mexicans that I see on TV that are tall and pretty and handsome, or the little short ones that come to the door and want to work in the backyard?”
Gallagher rambled for a bit about how there are two different types of Mexicans – short ones from Mexico and tall Spanish immigrants – and even got in a weird comment about Native Americans before Serafinowicz asked, “What are you talking about?” Gallagher rambled some more then summed up, “I’m saying the immigrants from Mexico, Honduras, San Salvador are all the same: Short, under five-foot-two.” Serafinowicz fired back, “What’s your point, though? … What’s your fucking point, man?” “You asked me if we have enough Mexicans, and I said we have enough short ones,” answered Gallagher.
Following a bit more bickering, the two comedians had this exchange:
GALLAGHER: Where do you live?
SERAFINOWICZ: I live in London, and I’m six-foot-four.
GALLAGHER: Then you don’t get to talk about American politics!
SERAFINOWICZ: I get to talk about whatever the fuck I want, actually. I can talk about anything. You don’t have to agree with it .. I just think what you’re saying, it sounds fucking racist …
GALLAGHER: Well, there are races in Mexico. There are Aztec, Incas and the European Spanish,’ Gallagher added.
MATT KIRSHEN: Wanting one lot to come into the country and not the other is pretty much the definition of racist.
A few seconds later, this happened:
SERAFINOWICZ: I don’t like what you were saying there about Mexican people, you know?
GALLAGHER: Well, freedom of speech exists in America, not in England ’cause you guys had a king.
SERAFINOWICZ: Listen man, you say whatever you want.
GALLAGHER: Then why don’t you let me say it? Why are you giving me your opinion?
ANDY WOOD: We’re letting you say a lot. We’re still not sure what the point was.
GALLAGHER: My point is scientifically, I’ve done an experiment, and I know that only the short people come to America and the tall ones stay there and have successful television shows.
SERAFINOWICZ: I think your point was that you don’t like a certain type of Mexican people. That was your point, I think.
Thats quality shitlording. He went from smashing watermelons to smashing tacos.