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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »
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I think it's a small victory, rather than a defeat. It wasn't the populist, eurosceptic victory we all wanted, but the election forced the ruling party to adopt harder immigration & nationalism policies. The next gov will be further right and Geert's gains can hopefully keep pressure on the next gov.

Geert Wilder's PvD picked up 5 seats, bringing them up from 15 to 20 and making PvD the second largest party. This is less than was expected. Unfortunately, the current govt's handling of the Turkish row seems to have paid off in limiting Geert's gains and reducing how much the ruling VVD was expected to lose.

PM Rutte's VVD lost 8 seats, dropping from 41 to 33. They remain the largest party.

The Dutch Labour Party, which is the VVDs current (leftist) coalition partner, lost 29 seats (38->9). They may or may not be in the next government.

The FvD (center right Eurosceptics) gained their first two seats, taken from VVD.

Both D66 (Centrist progs) and CDA (center right) maintained their previous 19 seats. Both will probably be part of the new govt.

The real winner was Groen Links/GL (Green Party), gaining 10 seats (4->14). May or may not be in new govt.

The Christian Union (CU) maintained its previous 5 seats. The Socialist Party maintained its previous 14 seats. Either could be part of the new govt.

The Party for Animals (PvdD) won their first 5 seats.

The Turkish-Dutch party (pro-Erdogan, allowed to vote in Mosques) picked up their first three seats.

There were 9 other seats mostly taken by small prog parties.

So while the progressives made large gains at the expense of liberals, the right barely made any gains.

150 seats total. 75 needed to form a coalition. VVD+CDA+D66 would require 4 more seats.

Possibly another small victory from this

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Jeroen Dijsselbloem may have to stand down as president of the Eurogroup which coordinates policy in the eurozone if he cannot retain his role as Dutch finance minister in a new coalition after his party losing seats in yesterday’s election.

The Labour Party crashed from second to seventh place in preliminary results, losing more than three quarters of its seats and making it hard for victorious liberal Prime Minister Mark Rutte to retain Mr Dijsselbloem in such a senior cabinet post.

I'm not sure how the Dutch negotiate Coalitions & Cabinet positions, but Rutte might form a govt around VVD+CDA+D66+PdvA, although I'd be surprised if that happened given how badly PvdA just lost.

While I'm optimistic they'll have a further right wing govt, Rutte apologized to the Turks over the recen debacle which makes me skeptical.

Good article on the outcome: http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/778648/Dutch-election-polls-live-updates-latest-news-Geert-Wilders-Mark-Rutte-Netherlands-poll
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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #101 on: March 16, 2017, 12:34:53 PM »
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Wilders campaign was so abnormally shitty and lazy he had exactly zero chance of becoming the biggest party.

Coalition talks are gonna commence today, but it's going to be incredibly difficult. Many parties you peoples describe as lol totally pro-Europe are today what the PVV was 5 or 6 years ago. Every party except the Greens have moved considerably to the right, espcially on immigration and islam.

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While I'm optimistic they'll have a further right wing govt, Rutte apologized to the Turks over the recen debacle which makes me skeptical.

Rutte didn't apologize; he said the Turks should apologize to him instead

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2017, 12:46:40 PM »
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While I'm optimistic they'll have a further right wing govt, Rutte apologized to the Turks over the recen debacle which makes me skeptical.

Rutte didn't apologize; he said the Turks should apologize to him instead

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Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım said in a televised interview late Tuesday that his Dutch counterpart Mark Rutte has offered verbal apology over detention of Turkish chargé d'affaires in The Hague, Alper Yüksel and Rotterdam consul general Sadin Ayyıldız.

"During a phone call, Mr. Rutte has apologised for the detention of our consul general and chargé d'affaires," he said.

"Mr. Rutte said that the detentions were carried out by mistake," he added.

"He stated that the Dutch officials also did not desire to increase tensions to such an extent. He even offered to have a dinner together," Yıldırım concluded.

https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/2017/03/15/netherlands-rutte-apologizes-to-pm-yildirim-over-detention-of-turkish-charg-daffaires-consul-general

Turkish source, but I can't find anything claiming Rutte demanded the Turks apologize.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2017, 12:54:37 PM »
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Daily Sabah is the AK Party's semi-official newspaper, so I'd take that with a grain of salt. Rutte repeated his message continually, and even the leftist parties applauded his tough line... So I guess that's kinda good.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2017, 05:16:11 PM »
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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2017, 06:19:06 PM »
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These parties don't need to become number 1 to influence politics, i think the best example of this is UKIP, where Farage was in many ways single-handedly responsible for the biggest event in Europe over the past few decades.

He sacked a Prime Minister, destroyed Labour for the foreseeable future and achieved his dream of Brexit, not bad at all for a party described by the elite as populated by "fruitcakes and gadflies".

Same thing in Italy, where Five Star managed to sack a PM themselves after rallying people against the referendum, Renzi's party has splintered and Five Star stand a good chance of winning the election next time around.

These parties will come into power sooner or later, because in many ways, they're the only ones offering real change and the voters deep down know that.
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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #106 on: March 16, 2017, 10:52:56 PM »
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Thank God the United States is a first past the post two party presidential system. 

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #107 on: March 19, 2017, 04:56:19 AM »
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Well at least someone is having babies in Europe.
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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #108 on: March 19, 2017, 04:13:26 PM »
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Poland may be based, but they're still slavs

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #109 on: March 19, 2017, 08:24:01 PM »
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A single polish life is worth the entire population of Germany.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #110 on: March 19, 2017, 09:01:38 PM »
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Ironically, Hitler made the same wager.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #111 on: March 19, 2017, 09:22:36 PM »
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Well at least someone is having babies in Europe.

are they white babies or mud-rape-babies?

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #112 on: March 19, 2017, 10:30:47 PM »
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Poland is 98.6% White.  My guess is that most of them are white babies.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #113 on: March 19, 2017, 10:36:27 PM »
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Polish babies, Ukrainian in the worst case, since Poland has accepted actual refugees from that country. Of course you will never hear a word about it because they're white.

Poland is a country where almost all ethnic restaurants are owned and staffed by Polish people. I think I've seen four brown persons and three gypsies in the whole country last time I've been there.

Great country, great people.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #114 on: March 20, 2017, 05:18:56 AM »
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are they white babies or mud-rape-babies?

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #115 on: March 20, 2017, 07:06:54 AM »
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I would have sex with all of those polock women.
Grow the fuck up, harden the fuck up, and shut the fuck up.

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #116 on: March 20, 2017, 10:37:43 AM »
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I would have sex with all of those polock women.
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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2017, 05:30:56 PM »
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Just remember not to be disrespectful to Polish women like some browns were:

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Re: Why don't we have an EU thread
« Reply #118 on: Today at 01:12:10 PM »
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Here's a couple of threads I stumbled across.  There's a lot of discussion about urban decay, what caused it, and it's all fairly realtalky:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1463468

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=308649



(This is in Italy)