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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3495522

goon thread to basically be mad at the military while they're not playing escapist video games simulating being a member of it

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We must honor these brave men and women who sacrifice their ass sitting for eight hours a day so that we may be free.


Yeah we sit in from of screen eight hours a day, call dead people "bug splats" and spout racist shit over headsets, but we aren't playing video games here!

of course racism has to be mentioned in a thread completely unrelated and out of context to it, just to set the tone that people in the military are all bigots.

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This is not surprising. This is an age where everyone expects an award for showing up and doing their job.

I was put up for, and received, an Army Achievement Medal for coming to work on time and doing what I was supposed to. I thought it was a complete waste, and didn't think I deserved it for doing what was expected of me - I even told my supervisor this, but I still got it anyway. I would have been satisfied with them just saying "Thanks."

To this day I don't consider it a "real" award and I think it sullies the honor of the people who actually deserve one.

of course he neglects to mention that the army achievement medal is the lowest medal that can be awarded and ranks just above a certificate of appreciation. if anything his supervisor was probably just trying to help him out, because it's worth a few promotion points which can be a bitch to get sometimes (there's a certain amount of points you need to hit to get promoted based off factors like awards, fitness scores, etc).

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Uhh, not all medals are for "heroism" or bravery. Some are just for exceptional performance, so I dont see whats the big deal.
The big deal is that the US military is considering handing out real military awards to people who treat life like a goddamn video game. They are directly encouraging sociopaths and giving them deadly weapons and an opportunity to act on their sociopathy.

first page in and we've got military members are sociopaths rhetoric.

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All rewards for acts of war are meaningless nationalist crap. I support this development as it works to destroy that illusion.

medal of honor is meaningless nationalist crap.

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Jesus you guys all jumped on the killing children and civilians bandwagon fast. Do you guys seriously think they sit at the screens all day planning to kill noncombatants?
I don't think they are capable of planning anything.

of course it's a goon with a heavy posting history of video games (including military simulations). "i can fly a fighter jet in battlefield 3 but nobody gives me an award, why should those meatheads get one???"

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For some people, this is preferable if it means that war becomes so horrifying as to be unthinkable unless in extreme circumstances. This bullshit where we bomb countries while in the safety of our own backyard makes it much easier for us to just keep doing it forever and ever. I dont like the thought of anyone dying, but if we are going to indiscriminately murder a country's people we should probably pay the price for it.

that same opinion has been parroted around the thread ad nauseum. of course, goons are too smart to actually fact check and miss the point that we're closer to world peace today than we ever were before. (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/world-more-peaceful-now-than-ever/ has links to several sources).

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I know a guy who makes about $4k/month playing video games. He levels up characters and sells gear. He has alevel 60 wizard in the new Diablo. He told me that was the highest rank of the hardest character to get. Sure, it's goony but he's making a living with a computer hack. He doesn't really even play the game. Goons could do that and not be jealous of the military if they had any redeeming value.
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I'm not for bashing the military, but giving heroism medals to a bunch of guys who sit in a room and play with their joysticks would make Patton cry.

After he slapped the shit out of them.

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I'm not for bashing the military, but giving heroism medals to a bunch of guys who sit in a room and play with their joysticks would make Patton cry.

After he slapped the shit out of them.

It's not really an award for heroism, it's more like a recognition thing. You get low-level shit just for being in the military for X number of years. Anyway, look at the goon sources for this thread:
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Salon wrapup of the issue here, source articles below.
WaPo, NPR, NYTimes Magazine, AlJazeera
Throw in the Guardian, the BBC, and Novosti and you'd have the whole gang.

Incidentally, being a drone operator would have consequences and risks (just not to you). Blowing up a bunch of civilians and/or causing an international incident would be on your mind. Didn't some Russian guy get a medal for not passing on a false-positive report about American nuclear launches? Niggers be under pressure, even if they aren't getting shot at.



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the drone operators I met were some of the biggest tools around. nothing like wearing aviator jackets and talking about 'going in hot over fallujah" from the safety of a connex.

That being said, goon opinions on everything are wrong so it is not like they're right in anyway with thier understanding of the military viewed through some fucked lens of marxist media/vidya 'gamer' culture/the internet/milgoons.  What a fucking dog's breakfast that is.

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Going in hot over Fallujah. In an aviator jacket.

I hope you got the opportunity to hit one of them.
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It's like getting employee of the month in your shitty goon tech support job.

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It's like getting employee of the month in your shitty goon tech support job.

Goons forget that it's men who honor titles and accolades, not titles which honor men. A drone operator wearing his drone achievement medal is not gonna be respected anywhere near as much as the infantryman wearing his Silver star. Everyone knows the guy wearing the Silver star did some hardcore shit, everyone knows the drone pilot hit a button.

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It's like getting employee of the month in your shitty goon tech support job.

Goons forget that it's men who honor titles and accolades, not titles which honor men. A drone operator wearing his drone achievement medal is not gonna be respected anywhere near as much as the infantryman wearing his Silver star. Everyone knows the guy wearing the Silver star did some hardcore shit, everyone knows the drone pilot hit a button.
True. My uncle was in the 173d in 1967. He has three PHs and a Silver Star.
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To be fair, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to he idea of some medals or acknowledgement for skilled drone operators. Some of those guys might be really good, get some good kills, do some important and valuable stuff.

It's the fact that it's a Medal of Fucking Heroism that galls me.

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To be fair, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to he idea of some medals or acknowledgement for skilled drone operators. Some of those guys might be really good, get some good kills, do some important and valuable stuff.

It's the fact that it's a Medal of Fucking Heroism that galls me.

That's what goons are calling it. I don't think it has any official name yet (because it's still not even on the table yet), but one of the articles calls it the "Distinguished Warfare Medal". I don't think the DoD are stupid enough to name it something retarded like a heroism award (but then I guess it is a government department)

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Going in hot over Fallujah. In an aviator jacket.

I hope you got the opportunity to hit one of them.

If I punched everyone who acted like a tool I would have never left the barracks.

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Going in hot over Fallujah. In an aviator jacket.

I hope you got the opportunity to hit one of them.

If I punched everyone who acted like a tool I would have never left the barracks.

man, my roommate was a scrawny, pale kid with bad face acne (the kind that leaves those reddish-purple lumps all over) who ate nothing but flamin' hot cheetos and microwaveable burritos even though the chow hall was less than a 10 minute walk away. complete stereotypical goon. he would make a squealing sound whenever women were around and run away. he was obsessed with knives and spent half of his paychecks on them. after the army, he wanted to design knives (lol) but didn't think going to college or paying for the Montgomery GI Bill (it was switched over to the post 9/11 when I was getting out) would be useful for that. the other half of his paycheck he spent on porn. after deployment, that kid downloaded so much porn that we went over our monthly bandwith cap of 60 gigabytes by something like 40 gigabytes (i only used the web for browsing the internet).

he ended up getting shot by an afghan security contractor that opened fire on a group of them while they were cleaning their weapons on the fob when he was on his second deployment. he ended up fine, and there's a picture floating around of him with a shit-eating grin getting a purple heart from general petraeus, who was in command of US and ISAF forces at the time.

the military is a weird fucking place.


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Going in hot over Fallujah. In an aviator jacket.

I hope you got the opportunity to hit one of them.

If I punched everyone who acted like a tool I would have never left the barracks.
Are you saying you hung around your barracks punching your tool?
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man, my roommate was a scrawny, pale kid with bad face acne (the kind that leaves those reddish-purple lumps all over) who ate nothing but flamin' hot cheetos and microwaveable burritos even though the chow hall was less than a 10 minute walk away. complete stereotypical goon. he would make a squealing sound whenever women were around and run away. he was obsessed with knives and spent half of his paychecks on them. after the army, he wanted to design knives (lol) but didn't think going to college or paying for the Montgomery GI Bill (it was switched over to the post 9/11 when I was getting out) would be useful for that. the other half of his paycheck he spent on porn. after deployment, that kid downloaded so much porn that we went over our monthly bandwith cap of 60 gigabytes by something like 40 gigabytes (i only used the web for browsing the internet).

he ended up getting shot by an afghan security contractor that opened fire on a group of them while they were cleaning their weapons on the fob when he was on his second deployment. he ended up fine, and there's a picture floating around of him with a shit-eating grin getting a purple heart from general petraeus, who was in command of US and ISAF forces at the time.  the military is a weird fucking place.

I would like to see this picture for comparison to what I used to see.  I was in during Bosnia, but I was a chairborne ranger in the 3/75 (I think the 1/75 was "on-call" in the rotation then), so no conflict deployment for me- this provides a little relevance to my curiosity.  When I went in, recruiters were either committing suicide or somehow getting people who never ran a day in gym class into RECBN.  One guy I remember was about 50lbs over weight (maybe his height allotted for more weight?), and he had a septic appendix explode sometime in his past, because he had no less than 20 incisions on his abdomen.  He could barely do 20 situps and no pullups.  Needless to say, he was left behind in reception to "stay there until he met the requirements."  They gave him an option to drop, and he demanded to stay in, so power to him there.  That spirit probably is even less prevalent in Gen Y. 

My point is this:

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About 75 percent of the country's 17- to 24-year-olds are ineligible for military service, largely because they are poorly educated, overweight and have physical ailments that make them unfit for the armed forces, according to a report to be issued Thursday. Other factors, such as drug use, criminal records and mental problems, contribute to what military leaders say is a major problem that threatens the country's ability to defend itself at a time when the all-volunteer force is already strained fighting two wars.

Post 9/11 'murica had a surge of people join.  The pool had less aids, better stock.  Then, 10 years later as a lot of soldiers were still dying, it dropped back off to plague levels.  If you add in the above statistics, it has to be a complete clusterfuck now.  I am not saying that my time represented only soldiers with glorious Aryan stock.  There were the bad ones like referenced above, but they were not that numerous.  The worst we had were boons and people joining to avoid jail (there were a fair number of those, but they were fit).  We pretty much tried to keep our vices on the download too, because the military was still pretty old-school back then.  Maybe it was because we did not have the internet doing better than 56K back then.  If you wanted to spank, your picture would take 5-10 minutes to load up.  It just wasn't worth it.

And on the statistics again, what are the current requirements now?  If this was WWII, I guarantee the numbers would instantly inverse.  You go 'Bama! :obama:

Here is a little tmi on my chairborne ranger experience, I scored a 99 on the ASVAB (this is not impressive when you consider this is a percentile score and I went up against the above referenced), but it gave me a couple ranks and a guaranteed MOS that I chose.  I was a huge idiot and chose airborne ranger.  This choice was the worst possible choice ever made in the history of choices.  I had nuclear engineer and counter intelligence in my available list.  I wanted the prestige.  It bought me nothing but complete hell, as the majority of drill sergeants are rangers.  When asked my MOS, as a lowly recruit I'd would say "AR," and swiftly would be treated to a barrage of threats and physical smokings that had me puking bile.  But it did make me HTFU and ready for RIP, so thanks assholes.  I guess the good part was all the really bad apples were left behind in the reg infantry, and the only people who would still make you uneasy were those who were very slight of brain and very physically gifted.  But they were badass as hell overall though.  Great to have as drinking buddies.
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he and I were both cav scouts in the battalion scout platoon of a combined arms battalion.

i don't regret signing up for a minute. i joined up after a mediocre year in college where I was too lazy to drag my ass out of bed and go to 11 am classes. i always wanted to join the army and was ROTC in college but dropped out of that as well. it was probably the best decision i ever made. i learned a lot about how to man up, deal with difficult people, keep my mouth shut, take pride in work, etc etc. things i would've never learned on my own because i didn't have to. now i'm riding that post 9/11 GI bill gravy train. i was in from '06-'09.

There was plenty of guys let in with criminal records, but IIRC Army Times did some polling and found out that those that needed criminal/moral waivers actually got promoted faster in general and tended to shape up pretty well. We had a sniper section attached to us, and one of the NCOs used to tell me about all the trouble he got into before he joined up. He was a pretty squared away guy. Most people that I knew with criminal waivers were actually squared away, but that was in a combat arms battalion. Support battalions always seemed like they were the most fucked up trash. outside of my platoon I used to hang out with the mortars because they were in headquarters company with us (since both are battalion assets), and they were all really chill dudes.

iirc, blacks in particular never really caused any problems that I knew of. One guy I knew used to barely dodge DUIs every weekend but other than that it was a pretty even mix.

sometimes i fantasize about going back, but then i remember all the stupid fucking shit. Getting smoked as a PFC for not standing up and going to parade rest when answering a question in a platoon class by an e-5, having to pick up cigarette butts, having to pull random details on the weekend because of living in the barracks, being told that I was only allowed either a fifth of liquor or six pack of beer in my fridge at any one time, etc. fuck that bullshit.

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he and I were both cav scouts in the battalion scout platoon of a combined arms battalion.

i don't regret signing up for a minute. i joined up after a mediocre year in college where I was too lazy to drag my ass out of bed and go to 11 am classes. i always wanted to join the army and was ROTC in college but dropped out of that as well. it was probably the best decision i ever made. i learned a lot about how to man up, deal with difficult people, keep my mouth shut, take pride in work, etc etc. things i would've never learned on my own because i didn't have to. now i'm riding that post 9/11 GI bill gravy train. i was in from '06-'09.

There was plenty of guys let in with criminal records, but IIRC Army Times did some polling and found out that those that needed criminal/moral waivers actually got promoted faster in general and tended to shape up pretty well. We had a sniper section attached to us, and one of the NCOs used to tell me about all the trouble he got into before he joined up. He was a pretty squared away guy. Most people that I knew with criminal waivers were actually squared away, but that was in a combat arms battalion. Support battalions always seemed like they were the most fucked up trash. outside of my platoon I used to hang out with the mortars because they were in headquarters company with us (since both are battalion assets), and they were all really chill dudes.

iirc, blacks in particular never really caused any problems that I knew of. One guy I knew used to barely dodge DUIs every weekend but other than that it was a pretty even mix.

sometimes i fantasize about going back, but then i remember all the stupid fucking shit. Getting smoked as a PFC for not standing up and going to parade rest when answering a question in a platoon class by an e-5, having to pick up cigarette butts, having to pull random details on the weekend because of living in the barracks, being told that I was only allowed either a fifth of liquor or six pack of beer in my fridge at any one time, etc. fuck that bullshit.


If you were in 12 years ealier we might have hung out.  I went into basic as 11X, and was assigned 11C and did that in AIT too... motars ;).  It made me feel a little better as they generally only place 90+ ASVABs in there due to all the dangerous shit we do.  The 11Bs are essentially assigned to be bullet catchers.  I'll reply more when I get a chance. 

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I match up with you,  I dropped from a couple colleges.  Even turned down a full ride at the air force academy.  I contemplated and decided that if I did not do something, I would be doomed to fuck off for the rest of my life.  So that's why I joined up.  I kind of wish I was younger so that I could get the benefits you guys are getting now.  I can honestly say that as far as the recruits went, I did not see more than a few per company.  It was the noncoms that were like 50% minority at Benning.  Even my sgt mjr was black.  Post-grad, the mix was much more white.  A lot of the super-racists of tne would have learned more tolerance answering to a superior of color.  It really teaches you to swallow your pride.  Not saying it made me all rainbows, but it helps in other areas of life a lot. 

As for the rules and work, you know you are better for them.  And yeah, as I mentioned above, being smoke by someone worth the gum on your boot heal is a real test.  I also wanted to rejoin many times.  Sometime I miss the structure.  There really is not much complication past getting a job done.  But the only way that would ever happen is if I kept years of service, and I got additional rank for life experience.  No way I would go back to E-4.  When I was in I saw so many waivers be all hard as hell and become model soldiers.  Even had one go AWOL, and somehow, he was allowed to stay.  Although he bunked in the 1st sgt's office under guard until they figured out he was serious.  Tons of self injuries on purpose including hands slammed in doors, etc.  After grad, no one really copped to being on waivers so I knew very few unless someone told me.  I guess you are correct here.  They must have shaped up to not be known.

PS.  The kid looks like a real putz.  The smirk is the kicker.  It is kinda cool to get to meet a four star though.  4-stars (or any stars for that matter) never handed out something as small as a purple heart when I was in.  Must be a morale (and war-time) thing.
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Bubba, your experience sounds like mine. I was offered some shit with nuclear engineering in the title and went 11X with Airborne school and ended up being a mortar maggot as well. Good times, but the military is definately a weird place.

In my second unit (a Stryker brigade), there was a battalion level asset known as the Recon Platoon, which was all the dumbasses who could do push ups and look good in uniform serving as the battalion commander's personal 'strike force' (no really). Shooting straight was apparently optional as well.

Anyway these assholes were sitting in an LPOP (listening post, operating post) and looked out to see some mechanized vehicles that they thought were Russian personnel carriers, and started shooting.  Well, turns out it was Alpha Company, rolling around in thier Strykers.  They just know they're being shot at so they light up the building with .50 caliber machine guns and Mark 19 grenade launchers.  A few guys end up losing limbs from this clusterfuck, and plenty get wounded before someone calls it as a blue on blue incident.

Welp, instead of realising that putting a bunch of retards with more muscles than sense was a good idea, the official story was that somehow al-Qaeda got a hold of US made weaponry and tried to ambush Alpha Company.  Recon was there to ride to the rescue, save the day, and the casualties they took were due to thier valor. I was at the awards ceremony where a bunch of these choads were awarded Purple Hearts and Bronze Stars with Valor for thier fuck up.

Then there's the case of a medic I know. Looks like he's straight from goon.jpg and a little goofy, but a good guy at heart. Well his Styker got hit by a fuel bomb and it knocked out most of the squad. Some of the fuel got into the vehicle and lit his hair on fire. Everyone is freaking out, but he gets on the radio, says he's going to start treating people but he has to put out the fire on his head first before doing so and beginning to drag people out of the burning vehicle singlehandidly with second degree burns all over his head.

When the platoon gets its shit together, they come to find him treating people and doing what he can for them. So what happens? He has to fight for his Purple Heart because apparently no one saw the wounds being inflicted, if you can believe that bullshit.  I believe he ended up getting it, but it just goes to show that medals only mean so much, especially when they're giving out Bronze Stars as "I Was There" medals for E-7s/2LTs and above.

Welp.

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I believe he ended up getting it, but it just goes to show that medals only mean so much, especially when they're giving out Bronze Stars as "I Was There" medals for E-7s/2LTs and above.

Welp.

yeah, bronze stars are seriously given out to every e-7 and up at the end of deployment. My platoon sergeant gave me his as a token of appreciation for doing his bitchwork;i was his gunner which meant I acted as TC since 90% of the time he was dismounted/focused on the platoon-level shit. We were the high-value target raid team and on call 24/7; the cell phone towers in Baghdad were set up so that people could easily be located by them, and there was a system in our platoon leader's truck that played hot/cold with the signal when we cruised through a neighborhood. we earned our battalion its meritorious unit commendation, but still the guy who was the supervising nco of the mayor's cell got the same award for sitting around and making sure the e-4s showed up on time to shuffle paperwork/watch TV.

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Well, you too are above and beyond experience compared to my years of service.  You guys were in actual conflicts, whereas I got to pretend a lot.  So huge kudos and respect to you both.  And that is complete BS on that purple heart guy who was on fire.  He deserves something a bit higher up the chain in addition to that, and to have to fightto get it?  Shame.

Question on the bronze stars... do either of you know if they were always that easy to get?  The reason I ask is that when my granddad died, we found he had been awarded 2 bronze stars for service in Africa during WWII.  I would like to keep my conjectures of supreme badassedness alive for him.  He never told anyone about them, never talked above his time in the war, and his records were burned up in the 1973archives fire.

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In WWII, bronze stars were awarded to anyone who had been awarded a combat infantryman or combat medic badge. Other than that I really don't know.