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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2012, 10:57:46 AM »
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I have zero fucking problem sending FEMA back to the states and letting the chips fall where they may.

And in a world where each disaster that happens to America is localized a single state at a time and there is zero need for coordination, then that system will work perfect.  :allears:
By saying that I know that you have never been trained in emergency response. It is scaleable. It's all the same. The jobs are done by human beings. There isn't a magic genie that lives in Federal Fairyland who mends broken hearts. So an emergency response worker can help you whether he is wearing a blue jacket, or yellow or green or whatever.

You are a liberal living on Planet Playskool and clasping to the teat of the government.


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yeah guy why can't you understand that all humans are interchanble and every disaster is highly localized and if it's not then it's all the same anyway that's why we need 50 separate standards and preparedness levels and there's no need for standards or coordination between states DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH JERK

also money from STATES doesn't come from a TEAT, only FEDERAL FIAT DOLLARS ARE TEAT MONEY DUHHHH TIMES TWO
Ok, you don't understand NIMS because you don't have the training. The whole point of NIMS training is that anyone, anywhere with the training can be plugged into an emergency response team. Yes, people are fungible. Also, reaction to disasters of any scale are always localized. A human being or a team of people can only respond to a certain area. So if you look at the damage from Hurricane Sandy, the response team that deals with the seaside areas has a different job than those in the interior of the state. The guys on the power lines have a different job than the guys dealing with the sewer system.

The guys working on the subways in New York didn't have to come from the federal government. In fact, almost none of the cities in America have subway systems, so what the hell does the federal government need to know about repairing subway sstems? It doesn't. The very few states with light rail need to understand their own light rail and have local people on the job.

Likewise, if you have a mining catastrophe in West Virginia, do you think those people who have been breathing coal dust for generations don't know how to fix the problem? Or do they need a bunch of strangers with funny accents coming in to tell them what to do?

And where do the people who work in the federal government come from? They come from the states. And where does the money come from? Taxpayers who live in the states. Each state can handle its own business. That was the whole point when America was first formed. They had an open hatred for the federal government, and rightly so.

Can you tell me one reason why money needs to be funneled through Washington DC to be used back in the state where it came from? Your argument makes no sense, man. Are you just typing words for practice?
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2012, 12:43:33 PM »
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The guys working on the subways in New York didn't have to come from the federal government. In fact, almost none of the cities in America have subway systems, so what the hell does the federal government need to know about repairing subway sstems? It doesn't. The very few states with light rail need to understand their own light rail and have local people on the job.

Likewise, if you have a mining catastrophe in West Virginia, do you think those people who have been breathing coal dust for generations don't know how to fix the problem? Or do they need a bunch of strangers with funny accents coming in to tell them what to do?
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Can you tell me one reason why money needs to be funneled through Washington DC to be used back in the state where it came from?

After reading your post, I'm not really sure if you really understand what it is that FEMA does.

Sorry bro.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2012, 03:19:19 PM »
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2012, 03:20:20 PM »
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proc likes fema because all of his relatives live in their camps

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2012, 03:40:38 PM »
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The guys working on the subways in New York didn't have to come from the federal government. In fact, almost none of the cities in America have subway systems, so what the hell does the federal government need to know about repairing subway sstems? It doesn't. The very few states with light rail need to understand their own light rail and have local people on the job.

Likewise, if you have a mining catastrophe in West Virginia, do you think those people who have been breathing coal dust for generations don't know how to fix the problem? Or do they need a bunch of strangers with funny accents coming in to tell them what to do?
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Can you tell me one reason why money needs to be funneled through Washington DC to be used back in the state where it came from?

After reading your post, I'm not really sure if you really understand what it is that FEMA does.

Sorry bro.
Well, one of the things FEMA did is grant my IS certifications.
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2012, 03:43:11 PM »
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Proc's first beanout on our new forums. It feels like home.

FEMA is more concerned about diversity and multicult and shoving everyone possible into FEMA windbreakers for the cameras so it can justify its own existance.  FEMA sends administrators more than anything else- there ain't a corps of burly dudes ready to totally and utterly fill in for some state b/c they didn't spend any money on disaster prep like some people think.

If a state wants to have a fucking disaster on its hands because it decided emergency prep wasn't important, than on their heads be it.  If the population doesn't vote out the chuckleheads responsible then they get what they deserve as well.  Nagin was a Dem, and so was the governor of Lousiana during Katrina but somehow that was Bush's fault because he didn't care about niggers.

But no if we get rid of FEMA nothing nowhere will fill the void and the minute it rains we all die the end.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2012, 03:44:56 PM »
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I wouldn't care if FEMA went away because one state's retarded choices shouldn't affect the rest of the Union.

See: California.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2012, 04:24:58 PM »
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Proc's first beanout on our new forums. It feels like home.

I ain't even mad, bro
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FEMA is more concerned about diversity and multicult and shoving everyone possible into FEMA windbreakers for the cameras so it can justify its own existance.  FEMA sends administrators more than anything else- there ain't a corps of burly dudes ready to totally and utterly fill in for some state b/c they didn't spend any money on disaster prep like some people think.

unfortunately the entire fed from bottom to top is like this and states have already followed suit.  Just because FEMA promotes faggots and broads doesn't make it an ineffectual organization.  Bad leadership on the other hand...<img>heck of a job brownie</img>

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If a state wants to have a fucking disaster on its hands because it decided emergency prep wasn't important, than on their heads be it.  If the population doesn't vote out the chuckleheads responsible then they get what they deserve as well.  Nagin was a Dem, and so was the governor of Lousiana during Katrina but somehow that was Bush's fault because he didn't care about niggers.

IDK if anyone (bush admin included) could've accurately predicted the scope of the disaster that was katrina, though FEMA was slow to react to the growing shit-show that went on down there.

Of course, one has to factor in the whole levy system wasn't designed to withstand the sheer volume of water the storm pushed into it.

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But no if we get rid of FEMA nothing nowhere will fill the void and the minute it rains we all die the end.

But no if we have to keep fema then it's all diversity and Federal Slavery(tm)

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2012, 04:25:29 PM »
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The guys working on the subways in New York didn't have to come from the federal government. In fact, almost none of the cities in America have subway systems, so what the hell does the federal government need to know about repairing subway sstems? It doesn't. The very few states with light rail need to understand their own light rail and have local people on the job.

Likewise, if you have a mining catastrophe in West Virginia, do you think those people who have been breathing coal dust for generations don't know how to fix the problem? Or do they need a bunch of strangers with funny accents coming in to tell them what to do?
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Can you tell me one reason why money needs to be funneled through Washington DC to be used back in the state where it came from?

After reading your post, I'm not really sure if you really understand what it is that FEMA does.

Sorry bro.
Well, one of the things FEMA did is grant my IS certifications.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2012, 04:34:47 PM »
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I'm laughing that even with warning, shit got out of hand, again. Fucking city folk, welcome to the real fucking world where shit happens outside your magical walls.

Don't these fucking idiots know how to prep for a little rain?
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2012, 06:48:52 PM »
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So you agree that FEMA is mainly a bunch of make work for Muslim Skateboard majors by and large but since everything is like that we shouldn't stop it because?....

Katrina was one of those act of God things that somehow got spun into Bush dining on caviar and oysters while the Noble Negros of New Orleans suffered nobly or something.  Then the response was THROW MONEY while FEMA decided the federal daddy knows best.

You know we don't need another billion dollar monster to tell people how to respond to disasters with complex steps such as HAVE YOUR MEDICINES ON HAND and HAVE THREE DAYS OF FOOD AND WATER and the ever difficult KEEP SPARE BLANKETS AND FLASHLIGHTS, which looks like 95% of what FEMA does as opposed to the God Holy status its gained for some reason. 

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2012, 07:24:46 PM »
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But OSI, you're not making the point that every first responder agency has the same training under NIMS and when the feds come in they plug and play the local agencies. It's a great system of organizing help. I'm just saying we don't need the feds to come in locally and take over the folks who really know what is going on and how to deal with the locals.

FEMA control only bogs down the system.

And in Katrina, the feds couldn't act until the state requested it. That was not a lag by Bush' White House.
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2012, 08:02:23 PM »
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II'm not saying it cause you've brought it up ten times already.  Proc's arguing about standards is like saying that if we got rid of the FBI no one would be able to enforce the law because no one knows what to do.

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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2012, 08:11:11 PM »
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II'm not saying it cause you've brought it up ten times already.  Proc's arguing about standards is like saying that if we got rid of the FBI no one would be able to enforce the law because no one knows what to do.
This is the problem whenever anyone suggests any cut to government.

CUTS TO THE FBI? YOU WANT WALMART TO HANDLE CRIMINALS?
CUTS TO THE POSTAL SERVICE? YOU WANT WALMART TO HANDLE YOUR MAIL?

Also I like how "private sector" is always some evil megacorp instead money in your own fucking pocket.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2012, 08:48:54 PM »
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You can't privatize everything. I have heard of people wanting to privatize the police and courts.
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2012, 09:04:50 PM »
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You can't privatize everything. I have heard of people wanting to privatize the police and courts.

Who here is saying privatize everything? The argument Im making is simply that not everything needs to be run by some mandarin in DC who thinks a masters degree makes them an automatic subject expert in every unrelated topic ever.

The argument against any sort of local control always seems to become this boogeyman that you want to privatize justice or some shit. Its a built in reflex with these people: talk about racial crime rates and you're an evil racist.  Talk about how women shouldn't be giant whores and now you're slut shaming, whatever the fuck that is.

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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2012, 09:11:15 PM »
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2012, 09:35:50 PM »
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II'm not saying it cause you've brought it up ten times already.  Proc's arguing about standards is like saying that if we got rid of the FBI no one would be able to enforce the law because no one knows what to do.
This is the problem whenever anyone suggests any cut to government.

CUTS TO THE FBI? YOU WANT WALMART TO HANDLE CRIMINALS?
CUTS TO THE POSTAL SERVICE? YOU WANT WALMART TO HANDLE YOUR MAIL?

Also I like how "private sector" is always some evil megacorp instead money in your own fucking pocket.

I use Walmart as a go to example of extreme privatization because if I say "Edison Schools Incorporated" is taking over public schools, or "The GEO Group" is taking over prisons, you'll say "meh, so what." But Edison and GEO have the exact same motives and plans as Walmart-they are trying to make as much money as possible for shareholders, and they do so beyond cutting simple waste but by doing things like slashing payroll as a controllable expense, lowering quality, etc. And Walmart has succeeded in most diverse types of business it's gotten into and I bet if they wanted to dip their toe into education or prisons or city management they could be wildly successful.

On FEMA, everyone is saying "it's not needed because all disaster response comes down to individual humans and they are all trained alike" well gee, I wonder if it's not FEDERAL mandates that made EMT, fire, etc training the same? Also disasters like hurricanes cross state lines. Imagine if every time there was a disaster you needed to negotiate state by state on coordinating responses? If states fought it out over who contributed more to cleaning up a coastline? If some states had half assed responses because their tax base was lower and they had less money? Fact is, if there's an earthquake in CA, NJ pays, along with 48 other states. If there's a hurricane in NC, CA pays along with 48 other states. It pools our national resources to ensure we don't do stupid shit like abandon New Orleans entirely because LA can't afford to rebuild. Which could very well have happened. It's still not in great shape, but at least it's a functioning metro area.

And yes, there are a lot of people who would love to privatize the courts and police. And the more we privatize of other government services, the closer they will get to getting their way.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2012, 11:40:11 PM »
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Except it leads to retarded decision makings because the federal daddy is always there to wipe your boo boos.  Again, witness the people in California who insist on building their homes where wildfires rip through every few years.  There's no incentive to, y'know, not build massive houses there because the insurance pays out because the government pays out.  And of course there's always the massive evacuation effort that accompanies the unexpected wildfires that happen every year.

You're still conflating NIMS w/ FEMA.  NIMS sets the federal standard, FEMA just puts a bunch of information out like HAVE BLANKETS DURING A BLIZZARD but has somehow become a magical third rail of politics like SS and Medicare where the Republicans are the Evil Heartless White Men who want to see Poor Wise Minorities die in floods or something.  Again, if the FBI up and vanished tomorrow people wouldn't magically be unable to fight crimes, turning America into Megacity One.

Okay so some wacky people want to privatize justice and?  We've got entire posts here about goons talking about how Bush should go to the Hague and the UN should fight all wars and tranny rights are the issue of our times.  Guess what? People espouse stupid shit all the time, and those idiots are the ones running the show, not the ones who want the cops to be run by the Walton family.

New Orleans was run poorly, as is Detroit, Gary, and all the other urban shitholes that we CONTINUE to poor money into because of niggers agitating.  If the city isn't viable, why the fuck are we there? New Orleans is at the mouth of the Mississippi, and should be a fucking booming city but its run by a bunch of niggers so there you go.
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2012, 12:19:35 AM »
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Somehow, I think if electric companies in the northeast can coordinate with ones in California to have convoys of trucks drive across the entire United States to help out with the recovery, I think states can manage to coordinate disaster relief on their own.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2012, 12:47:58 AM »
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This sealed up my vote for sure. I had been on the fence over who to vote for, but the reassurance of free birth control pills did it for me. If I can have the guarantee of free birth control forever, I'd vote Obama in for dictator.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2012, 01:50:28 AM »
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This election is just depressing as fuck. Romney is terrible and the only thing he has going for him is that he isn't Obama. Obama is so lucky that he's a half breed because his black half buys him so much immunity from the absolute roasting a president as shitty as him would normally get.
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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2012, 01:56:52 AM »
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You can't privatize everything. I have heard of people wanting to privatize the police and courts.

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Re: 2012 Presidential election thread
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2012, 02:07:29 AM »
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While you are all sword fighting with your cocks over FEMA, I read that people are now eating out of the trash in New York because they are starving to death.

Sandy hit New York on 10/28.

It's 11/01

There is still power in in NYC.

This is what happens when you have large grouping of idiots allowed to breed. They where warned since 10/22 shit was starting to get real.
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« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2012, 02:52:06 AM »
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There's some bloobloo story doing the rounds about how some black mother lost both her kids in the initial downpour and people wouldn't let her in there houses so she spend the night in a doorway or something.

Thing not being pointed out: Why the fuck was she driving her car through a ghetto 20 minutes before a fucking hurricane everyone knew about with her 2 and 4 year olds?