D&D Has Serious Discussion About 4Chan Culture

[Put lead in Kyankas head]

lol @ D&D taking a crappy 4chan thread seriously: https://archive.moe/v/thread/294463531/

SASS posts on /v/, too. Not surprised, if they're on /pol/ then...

Look at all that hard-hitting, creative content.

So I guess this brings back the issue of why there are so many people on that page tripping all over themselves to be racist homophobes.

I wish I could make people so mad that they got upset just by someone else mentioning a website I post on.

The "funny" thing about /pol/ is I think in many ways it did the opposite of what was intended, instead of other boards actually making any sort of examination of their politics and going "wow we're kind of racist we should do something about that" the refrain is just "go back to /pol/," its okay that people are saying such heinous stuff because they're not REAL posters for whatever board, they're an invasive foreign element.

Hmm 4chan is problematic and not creative based on one thread that died quickly because it sucked

Jesus fucking christ these retards

[Martin Looter King]

wow we're kind of racist we should do something about that

[Sum Beezy]

Hmm 4chan is problematic and not creative based on one thread that died quickly because it sucked

Jesus fucking christ these retards

The 4chan version of the thread died in an hour, and the D&D thread is still going on for pages. I guess we know which forum is the superior one.   

[Doctor Jizzmopper]

Is it gnarlyhotep? So many degenerates as SA mods I cant keep up anymore.

Ask him to show you his 6 inch underbite

[Trioptimum Greeter]

lol goons acting like they didn't fucking create 4chan

tbh the current 'goons' didn't, smile and act nice were more edgy posters than current SA

[The GAPO formerly known as admin]

Wow, we have become such a boogeyman under the bed thatcthey see us anywhere there is online racism. Holy Hell, that's hilarious.

As for moderation keeping the sickos at bay, let's take a look at SA's track record. I know the goon mantra is that Aatrek was the only creep, and he was banned inmediately after being found out, but he was only the most glaringly obvious example. I've said it before, but there has historically been a culture of inappropriate behavior and sexual predation among the mods of SA. Let's run down the list, shall we?

Aatrek. Child rapist. To most goons, he was the only truly "bad" person on the mod staff. Doxxed by SS and perma'd.

Eggplant Wizard. Feminist and author of rape and incest themed "erotica." Contributed heavily to a SA thread and offsite dedicated to producing same. Gave advice on how to circumvent Amazon.com filters in order to sell rape and incest themed fiction on Amazon.com. Had a bunch of naked and molest-y Sims screencaps of virtual kids in one of her image hosting accounts. Doxxed and probably parachuted.

Gendo. Had a long history  of manipulative, coercive, threatening and stalking behavior towards multiple female goons. This was an open secret. Quit in the Mod Exodus of 2014. It is worth noting that around this time, Ozma had encouraged any mods with skeletons in their closets to quit for their own good and for the good of SA.

Mayor Wilkins. Same behavior patterns towards goonettes as Gendo. Also widely known. Quit long before Gendo and SS.

McCaine. Advocated the reduction of the age of consent to 12 based on "historical appropriateness". I don't recall when or why he stopped being a mod. By all accounts, still a nauseating commie faggot.

Loosechanj. Long history of making sexually inappropriate comments to goonettes on Awful Yearbook. So much so that it became a running joke on SA and SS. Demodded by Lowtax in a rare moment of lucidity after someone posted loosechanj.jpg for the millionth time.

AxeManiac. Known for his infamous drawing of a limbless female being used as a toilet/masturbatory aid.

Abe. Doxxed, harassed and made sexual comments to a 12 year old boy online.

Any of these people would likely have been banned if they were not mods.

Did I miss anybody?

[Poncey Faggot Trying on Shoes]

Mccaine was taken out by some LF vote when LF was merely pozzed up prior to becoming the protoSJW hellhole it eventually became.

[Mace Dindu]

How do chan boards go from posting anime pictures to Stormfront

[Attitude Adjuster]

I remember posting in LF. It was fun as long as you didn't take it seriously. Looks like some people did though, thanks whiteguilt, classguilt cuckolds for ruining the internet. 

[Bitter Weirdo]

wow we're kind of racist we should do something about that

Like step it up and become really racist?

[professional lurker]

[Put lead in Kyankas head]

Dropping these here from Strug for now because 8chan also found that SA thread lol

http://8ch.net/v/res/3761765.html
http://8ch.net/pol/res/2053557.html

[Poncey Faggot Trying on Shoes]

I remember posting in LF. It was fun as long as you didn't take it seriously. Looks like some people did though, thanks whiteguilt, classguilt cuckolds for ruining the internet. 

LF was Ground Zero for the first great WisCon trolling. 

How things change.

[Launchpad McQuack]

Mayor Wilkins. Same behavior patterns towards goonettes as Gendo. Also widely known. Quit long before Gendo and SS.

You're being too kind to Mayor Wilkins. One female goon actually accused him of trying to rape her.

For those who don't know, Wilkins would scour E/N for vulnerable female goons who were having trouble at home. He'd console them and be nice until finally offering a "m'lady, why don't you be my roommate rent free!". Now we're talking about 19 year old girls who have been kicked out of their homes. Once they come over, he tries to get them drunk, and then tries to fuck them.

I don't remember the exact details (might be on the old SASS archive) but one girl said she was passed out drunk and woke up to him undressing her and touching her. She rejected him and he got real angry and kicked her out the next day.

There was also another female goon who rejected him and afterwards he dumped a bunch of her nudes. Mentioning this of course later on was an immediate ban and shadow edit.

But hey, 4chan is terrible because they say fag.

[Launchpad McQuack]

It is quite a bad thing. Defining a community by it's output of memes is pointless when you don't even consider the cultural context which produced said content. 4chan being a crucible of bigotry and self-loathing cannot be ignored.

The "OC" argument is also a bullshit justification bigots make for keeping 4chan terrible. But I don't think the reprehensible morality of 4chan is what produces the content.

The best people on tumblr don't produce "content" in terms of memes, catchphrases, or trash like that. The best people are knowledgeable bloggers who consistently produce insightful writings.

It'd be funny as shit if for like 36 hours, with no warning, 4chan activated a filter that banned anyone who typed a common racial slur for like a month.

Mostly because of the number of people who have crawled out to defend 4chan's bald racism, misogyny, and general ugliness.

It does matter. You just said "announcing you're a girl or a minority of some kind when it's not relevant is met with derision." Why should it be met with derision? Does announcing that you're a guy when it's not relevant get met with derision? Why should women and minorities expect to be met with derision if they happen to let it slip that they aren't white males? Which, as has been said twice, is the default assumption? "Let's assume everyone is a white guy until suggested otherwise, then let's deride them" isn't equality or even footing.

You literally said that a woman has to be careful not to reveal that she's a woman, otherwise people will attack her for it. This isn't the case for men. How is that possibly equal footing?

How is it "pretty nice" for everyone to assume everyone else is a white male, under threat of derision and vitriol if they let it slip they aren't? Also you're making an assumption that this assumption ("we're all white guys") isn't in fact political. It is.

So the best that can currently be done, and currently is being done, is that if you let it slip you're a woman you'll get shit for it? I mean you did just call it "the closest you can get to real equal footing currently." Actually, there are actually many websites and discussion forums where you can mention your gender and not get attacked for it.

If you're actually looking for places like that, and aren't in fact content to stay in "we're all white guys, attack anyone who's not"-land, then I'm sorry you haven't found better spaces.

Honestly I suggest you look for places related to whatever hobbies you like that are explicitly welcoming of women and minorities, try posting there and see if you notice a difference. The reason some sites have to label themselves like that isn't to scare off men or score political points, it's to make it clear people don't have to walk on eggshells while implicitly acting like white guys. That promotes more equal footing than the "don't take off the white guy (guy fawkes) mask or you'll get dogpiled" model. Though of course that requires some level of moderation and poster accountability.

Personally I look down on places full of neo-nazis and misogynists but I can only speak for myself. And yes, yes, SA has shitty people on it but at least there's accountability and saying it's anywhere as bad as most chans is silly.

I feel like you could make a better place than reddit/4chan if you could limit the ability of small, dedicated groups to brigade/drive discussion in the direction they want. The reality is the existence of people like /pol/ posters, and the willingness of those members to project their misanthropic abrasiveness everywhere else, is what drives bald-faced racism to be socially acceptable on 4chan. And don't say 'it just ironic', it's not, ironic racism is possible to do but is distinguishable from actual racism to people with a brain, you're not fooling anyone.

Yeah you can look on stormfront threads from years ago and see where they discover 4chan and they're all "hey, these kids seem to like hating on black people, let's go talk to them" and, welp, wouldn't you know it but now the exact same rhetoric is being posted on both sites, except stormfront doesn't get the benefit of the "they just want attention/it's ironic" doubt.

[Launchpad McQuack]

Thanks for the views Tezzor. But keep this thread on the down low. We don't want Exclamation Marx realizing how embarrassing that thread is and closing it down before we squeeze some more comedy from it.

It's strange that a number of people who never post in D&D are here to post in this thread purely as a coincidence after it was linked at the white supremacist stalker offsite

kind of a post hoc ergo propter, due to crossover every chan or offsite was going to whine about this thread while posturing about how little they care and due to the subject matter a number of lurkers would be triggered into defensive shit and runs no matter what

i mean the main stalker offsite has nothing better to do than obsess over what people post here in the name of lulz or whatever, of course they would make a thread about this thread that's like a given. i'd bet money someone will quote this post and talk about what a loser i am for caring, and me even saying that would trigger some other weird feedback loop of proving what a carefag i am for attempting to be meta about something so inconsequential, and so on

Are you referring to /pol/?

It would not surprise me if GBS was crawling with /pol/acks.

[Toxic Masculine Hegemony]

Pop thug drink is a shitty fake nigger who is whiter than sedanchair.

But he plays a nigger on the Internet.

[Launchpad McQuack]

I think you've hit the mark here.  For all their talk of being a free-thinking, original offshoot of ordinary society, the chans are quite predictable.  Just reading that archive a few pages back made my eyes glaze over with boredom.  it's all "faggots" this and "SJWs" that.  Nothing coherent, just the digitilized infantile thrashings of manchildren who had their favorite toy insulted.

Bold part sounds familiar

[Surreal]

Wow, we have become such a boogeyman under the bed thatcthey see us anywhere there is online racism. Holy Hell, that's hilarious.

As for moderation keeping the sickos at bay, let's take a look at SA's track record. I know the goon mantra is that Aatrek was the only creep, and he was banned inmediately after being found out, but he was only the most glaringly obvious example. I've said it before, but there has historically been a culture of inappropriate behavior and sexual predation among the mods of SA. Let's run down the list, shall we?

Aatrek. Child rapist. To most goons, he was the only truly "bad" person on the mod staff. Doxxed by SS and perma'd.

Eggplant Wizard. Feminist and author of rape and incest themed "erotica." Contributed heavily to a SA thread and offsite dedicated to producing same. Gave advice on how to circumvent Amazon.com filters in order to sell rape and incest themed fiction on Amazon.com. Had a bunch of naked and molest-y Sims screencaps of virtual kids in one of her image hosting accounts. Doxxed and probably parachuted.

Gendo. Had a long history  of manipulative, coercive, threatening and stalking behavior towards multiple female goons. This was an open secret. Quit in the Mod Exodus of 2014. It is worth noting that around this time, Ozma had encouraged any mods with skeletons in their closets to quit for their own good and for the good of SA.

Mayor Wilkins. Same behavior patterns towards goonettes as Gendo. Also widely known. Quit long before Gendo and SS.

McCaine. Advocated the reduction of the age of consent to 12 based on "historical appropriateness". I don't recall when or why he stopped being a mod. By all accounts, still a nauseating commie faggot.

Loosechanj. Long history of making sexually inappropriate comments to goonettes on Awful Yearbook. So much so that it became a running joke on SA and SS. Demodded by Lowtax in a rare moment of lucidity after someone posted loosechanj.jpg for the millionth time.

AxeManiac. Known for his infamous drawing of a limbless female being used as a toilet/masturbatory aid.

Abe. Doxxed, harassed and made sexual comments to a 12 year old boy online.

Any of these people would likely have been banned if they were not mods.

Did I miss anybody?

You missed Louisgod who publicly gave a female goon a mod challenge that dared her to post nudes, and who was obsessed with jerky.

You also missed Senior Woodchuck who got boners from sniffing girls' hair on the train and posted about it on his blog.

[Crusading Scrotal Sack]

Personally I find the idea that these people would consider me, a perpetually unemployed useless stoner piece of shit, to be some sort of Alpha Bro just because I say things like "Maybe blacks aren't all good" and "Maybe Muslims can be dangerous" rather charming. I guess one judges others from one's own standpoint, so it's nice to know there are people more worthless than me out there.

[internet culture]

There are even honest-to-god SJWs in some 4chan threads and boards. Not just people satirically mocking SJWs and their way of speaking, but seriousposting SJWs trying to fit in and make their points through no-fucks-given chanspeak. Similarly, the over the top racist posts are not JUST people making racist jokes as a "so stupid it's funny thing"; there are also dead serious Stormfront posters on 4chan. And both the SJWs and the white nationalists can post in the same thread, ranting about about how faggy and bad the other's philosophy is, without getting banned and without either poster's opinion being absorbed as the "objectively correct" one by the majority of the community. This level of freedom scares and confuses goons, whose forum has always been about housing the "elite of the internet" and banning anyone who doesn't fit in.

Goons can understand FYAD because it's not REALLY "chaotic" even though it wants to APPEAR like it is; most FYAD posters will still agree with each other on who's a faggot and who isn't despite the "wacky" nature of their group. What they unquestionably choose to mock en masse makes it obvious that their beliefs are very similar and the ones who don't agree with the majority tend to shut up (I know a pretty SJW FYAD poster but he'd never ruin his FYAD e-penis by telling them to stop being problematic). Meanwhile 4chan will house thousands of posters who ironically make fun of a group, and yet also thousands of other posters who unironically BELONG to that group.

[Agent Provodkateur]

There was also another female goon who rejected him and afterwards he dumped a bunch of her nudes. Mentioning this of course later on was an immediate ban and shadow edit.

But hey, 4chan is terrible because they say fag.

No, it was even worse. She leaked an mp3 he made for her of him detailing his creepy schoolgirl sexual fantasy, then he rolled in and leaked the nudes with the intention of her preacher father finding out.

My whole rundown of it is here http://somethingsensitive.com/index.php?topic=6165.0

[ClemenSalad]

the last 5-6 threads y'all have highlighted in dnd I go "Hey I bet I can troll them into saying really heinous or dumb shit for laughs" and they already have done it themselves so i dont bother. Truly they've become troll free.

[ClemenSalad]

getting a goon to express wishes for extreme violence, advocate slavery, or get so upset they write virtriolic essays about internet bullshit used to mean something damnit

[posting ironically]

Hmm...goons who diligently read years old threads on Stormfront for "research into their influence on Chan culture."