Hypocrites of the World, UNITE: The Doxxing of Zeitgueist

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"Redistribute your wealth or we'll redistribute your blood"

If that avatar and text are grating, if they make you seethe with hatred upon sight, then you are familiar with this Doxxnet subject. Trolling threads with his longwinded, smug, and arrogant theories of capitalism, patriarchy, and social justice and fighting for the rights of the poor and downtrodden, Zeitgueist has long been a fixture in D&D. Outside D&D, he was well known with his buddies Fire, Story, and The Warszawa for being an LF Superstar who heeded the call of Gibbiswatch to sweep into GBS with "effortposts" and tag team arguments to "re-educate" the racist, misogynistic, cis capitalist homophobe scourges.

Like his buddy Fire, we'll take an in depth look at his life and see if this radical communist is true to his beliefs (SPOILER ALERT: he's not )

But wait...are we being unfair here? Letting all this personal info out? What would Zeitgueist say to that?

lol zeitgueist is almost fire levels of weirdo usually

quick somebody dox that fucknut

Well alright then.

Zeitgueist

"Workers of the World, UNITE!"
Name: Patrick Murray
Born: 1980
Lives: in a beachfront house in Redondo Beach, CA

The beach lifestyle comes at a price: According to public data from the Los Angeles Times, real estate prices increased almost 20% per year between 1999 and 2005. Properties within short walking distance of the ocean routinely sell for well over $1 million. Those with direct, unhindered views routinely ask in excess of $2 million. Money Magazine ranks communities in the area as some of the most expensive places to live in the U.S. The average three-bed, two-bath home costs about $1,000,000 in South Redondo as of 2006 and $875,000 in North Redondo.

: "He's living there ironically, right?"
 : "Read on."
Occupation: Zeitgueist is fond of telling everyone he's an engineer.

Speaking as an engineer, I don't think engineers are any better able to adapt or optimize in any social sense. Most engineers are pretty good at engineering the things they're trained to engineer, not necessarily good at life.

If pressed he might tell you he's a structural engineer. That probably means designing bridges for poor people to walk on and reduce the carbon footprint, right?

Family: Father, *e*** B, Mother, ***n*e, sister *o**l*e*, all of Rochester NY. Brother *r*a*, who lives in NYC with his new wife, and brother **n***, who lives in CA.
Relationships:


Wait for it.
Description: Dweeb. 5'10". Pudgy
Religion: "Atheism and laughing about it"
SA Career: Joined Aug 8, 2003. Name is one he's used at many sites online for many years. Not every Zeitgueist is him, but many are. Especially if they talk like a fag, and their shit's all retarded.
Has over 16,000 posts. Would have more if he wasn't constantly getting banned. Mods hate him because of his One Weird Trick of being an insufferable prick, even by SA SJW standards.
Hobbies:
-likes typical nerdy stuff: Gaiman, Star Wars, Tarantino, LOTR, Labrynth
-plays paintball
-played Eve Online in 2008 in Goonfleet

Bio: Zeitgueist is one of the most prominent and annoying LF SJW posters on SA. He is notably so annoying that he has drawn the ire of even SJW mods and has been probated an impressive 37 times, usually a month at a clip, and banned 11 times.  He was a major LF and Gibbiswatch poster back in the day, and would eagerly swoop down into GBS to help dogpile on "wrongthinkers" with charts, peer reviewed studies, personal attacks, and high school debate club level rules of order. Despite his painting himself as a militant communist with an avatar that says "Redistribute your wealth, or we'll redistribute your blood", he is a white middle class, middle aged goon who lives in a very nice house in California and makes a decent living. As we'll see, he literally works for The Man, exploiting children and poor workers. He suffers from extreme white and class guilt and loves to argue vehemently on the internet against "The Privileged" because he is one himself. His combative and arrogant posting style isn't just limited to SA. For example he registered this past March on an atheist forum where he proceeded to talk about nothing besides capitalism, feminism, social justice, the evil police, rethuglicans, etc and withing a few weeks pissed off a bunch of mods and posters there.

In this doxx we'll check out the Secret Shame of the Hypocrisy of an Internet Social Justice Warrior. Oh, and this one has shameful freak sex, so strap in kids. If you don't, Patrick will do it for you.
 

I have a question. 

Has anyone actually tried to engage with minority communities?  The one thing I notice from a lot of white people I come across is that they are timid as fuck when it comes to being the only white person in the room or at an event.

I've been to AA churchs before, and I never felt as if I was the only white guy there, even when I was.   They were pretty fun and useful experiences even as an atheist.

The 2010 United States Census[7] reported that Redondo Beach had a population of 66,748. The population density was 10,751.1 people per square mile (4,151.0/km²). The racial makeup of Redondo Beach was 49,805 (74.6%) White, 1,852 (2.8%) African American, 291 (0.4%) Native American, 8,004 (12.0%) Asian, 199 (0.3%) Pacific Islander, 2,725 (4.1%) from other races, and 3,872 (5.8%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10,142 persons (15.2%).

It's incumbent on those working towards socialism in the community be there and prepared when a revolution actually does come.   Most marxists, even the ones that advocate revolution actively, would agree we're nowhere near ready for one at the present time.   I'm pretty sure that if a revolution happened tomorrow, the major shift in power would be capitalists running things more blatantly than they already do.

I'm living by the beach in LA, have a good job at a large company, and I can talk to pretty much anyone.

Income
    $50,000–$60,000

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/zeitgueist?cf=profile (and that was at his old job, before he got a higher paying one this year)

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Part II From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

On a personal level, part of the reason why I argue on the internet is to focus my arguments and make them relatable.   Now I'm sure there's folks in this thread who will tell me I've failed, but my goal wasn't to convert every asshole with a red title.

So we all know Zeitgueist as a Socialist hero, right? He always is going on and on about Marxism and working conditions and whatnot:

One can easily argue against austerity from a capitalist perspective.    Most of the issues facing various countries are a manufactured crisis created by out of control banking industries, many of which are far too big at this point to fail.   Banks have coerced or lied to gullible local governments in order for them to take on tons of debt, and then called in that debt, following that up by saying these countries have a debt crisis.   The money being lent by the central banks ends up being a disguised bailout, as the cash goes back to those banks who lent it, via the Greek(or whoever) middle man.   This in turn props up the more powerful members of the EU, like France and Germany, who can claim their finances are better in order(thanks to these bailouts).

Austerity makes little sense because massive cuts in government spending will shrink the economy, making it LESS likely that the nations will be able to pay their bills in the future.   This austerity ideology is based on the idea that debt hurts the economy, a concept which pretty much everyone knew was bullshit, but used to have a sketchy Harvard paper to serve as a fig leaf.

From a marxist standpoint, it's also a pretty simple explanation.   Capital must grow to survive, and must have an exploited class.   Out of control banks have grown powerful and are now directly creating an underclass in Greece.  The unemployment, which capitalism needs to sustain itself, will drive down wages and destroy any kind of bargaining power for labor.   Additionally, the state will be forced to privatize things they normally would not, at firesale prices, providing fertile soil for capital.

And he spends a lot of time reading about it

Any comprehensive sources and books about the history and structure of the Soviet Union? I feel like as a developing Marxist (or at least a socialist) I must know about what the hell happened there. I know Richard Wolff had a book on it, but other sources would be helpful as well.

Speaking of which, what does everybody here think of Richard Wolff?

From the book thread:

Soviet history
Richard Stites, Revolutionary Dreams (The absolute best book on the culture of the early Soviet Union in existence) and Serfdom, Society and the Arts in Imperial Russia
Moshe Lewin, The Soviet Century and Lenin's Last Struggle
Neil Harding, Leninism
Kevin McDermott, Stalin: Revolutionary in an Era of War (Best 'neutral' book on Stalin that I know, represents the consensus well and makes no errors)
Oleg Khlevniuk, The History of the Gulag
Rex Wade, The Russian Revolution
Getty & Naumov, The Road to Terror
Martin Malia, Alexander Herzen and the Birth of Russian Socialism, 1812-1855
Alexei Yurchak, Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation

No, and we have several examples of countries providing goods without capitalism.   Like I said, medicine has advanced, farming has advanced, science has advanced, and laying that at the feed of capitalism is a naive and incorrect argument.

Even within capitalism, many of the things that have measurably increased lifespans have little to do with 'capitalism' in any meaningful way.


Sure modern times are better than other times in measurable ways. 

The problem is when you try to say capitalism has done this.

Boy, he sure hates Capitalism!
 

It has been for the entirety of modern capitalism.   Most western democracies have only had prosperity for certain parts of their populations, and the ones who most take care of their citizenry(social democracies) do this through exploitation of the global south.   Not to mention being based on previous colonial empires that did this even more directly.

And even those states built on exploitation are having their prosperity dismantled.

:godwin:

Hitler was a fascist, which makes him by definition capitalist.

:godwin:

What does he do again?

To support that, I make well above minimum in a white collar office job, and I laughed at my boss for suggesting I look at work emails during my time off.

Well remember when we said he was a "Structural Engineer?" Well, he is. But the "structures" he engineers aren't load bearing. They are the cardboard and plastic packages dreamed up by designers to market and sell children's toys. You see, according to his Linked In:

http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=156286456&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=8CT6&locale=en_US&srchid=2049133081376671390434&srchindex=5&srchtotal=23&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A2049133081376671390434%2CVSRPtargetId%3A156286456%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary
he's a "Senior Structural Engineer for Spinmaster, Inc" http://www.spinmaster.com/

What is Spinmaster? Well, they are "A multi-category children's entertainment company since 1994, Spin Master designs, develops, manufactures and markets consumer products for children around the world and is recognized as one of the 5th largest and the fastest growing toy companies in North America." They package and sell dolls, action figures, cars, etc.

Zeitgueit's job is basically to structure the plastic and cardboard of toys. In fact, he went to RIT in Rochester to get a Bachelors of Science in something called "Packaging Science" because he had a burning desire to work for major companies like Mattel and help make packaging for toys. Check out his webpage: http://re.vu/pjmurray and you can see some of the packages he designed.
He's helped make toy packages for children:


as well as manchildren:


even something OSI might like!

Now, this doesn't mean he comes up with the colors or layout. He's the one who makes sure that the cardboard is the right shape to accommodate someone else's design, to make sure the plastic is thick enough, that the packaging won't break in shipment, will hang on a peg, will open easy for kids and look good in a nerd's collection. WHAT A VITAL AND IMPORTANT JOB TO HELP ADVANCE THE HUMAN CONDITION AND END SUFFERING!

Now, let's think about this for a second. Who makes those toys and packages? Union workers who have rights and have been collectivized, with health care, 4 weeks of vacation, and high hourly wages? Or people working for 38 cents an hour in China?
 

You know what else could employ 100's of millions?  Those workers not working for shit wages because the foreign factory drove all the local places out of business.   Or maybe safer jobs in factories that don't fall down for a comfortable wage, instead of a shitty one in company housing.

Man I bet those folks in Bangladesh were happy to have the option to die in a factory collapse.   Good thing Capitalism doesn't destroy people, just lifts them up.

Nice disconnect, brah.

Not to mention that these exciting packages entice children and make them want these toys, forcing the parents to buy them and perpetuating the world of marketing, advertising, and toy production.
: "Good job."

Shoot, he's even been nominated for awards for being such a great capitalist!
http://www.gdusa.com/contests/aida12/types/winner.php?f=mattel

Client: Disney Consumer Products

Title: Cars Lightning McQueen Alive

Art Director: Jamie Dunn
Copywriter: Kathleen Pang
Creative Pilot: Mike Lehigh
Structural Engineer: Patrick Murray


Client: Disney Consumer Products

Title: Toy Story D23

Art Director: Jamie de Anda
Designer: Alan Fisher
Copywriter: Kathleen Pang
Structural Engineer: Patrick Murray

http://www.gdusa.com/contests/agda11/types/se.php?x=PKG1420-PKG1421-PKG1422-PKG1423-PKG1424-PKG1425-PKG2681-PKG2682-PKG2683-PKG2684-PKG2685-PKG2686

Title: Prehistoric Pets Package
Art Director: Jason Langston
Copywriter: Matt Emert
Structural Engineer: Patrick Murray

He used to work for Mattel, as a "Packaging Engineer" and made between $50-$60k til he got a new job as the "Senior Structural Engineer" for Spinmaster. That was probably good for a $20-$30k raise. So what does he spend that on? He certainly believes in helping the poor, I bet he supports poor neighborhoods by living in one, right?

"Bad" neighborhoods are directly the result of racism and capitalist oppression.

Hmm...is that why he moved from Long Beach

The 2010 United States Census[23] reported that Long Beach had a population of 462,257.[24] The population density was 9,191.3 people per square mile (3,548.8/km²). The racial makeup of Long Beach was 213,066 (46.1%) White, 62,603 (13.5%) Black or African American (U.S. Census), 3,458 (0.7%) Native American, 59,496 (12.9%) Asian (4.5% Filipino, 0.9% Vietnamese, 0.6% Chinese, 0.6% Japanese, 0.4% Indian, 0.4% Korean, and 5.2% Other Asian), 5,253 (1.1%) Pacific Islander (0.8% Samoan, 0.1% Guamanian, 0.1% Native Hawaiian, 0.1% Other Pacific Islander), 93,930 (20.3%) from other races, and 24,451 (5.3%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 188,412 persons (40.8%). 32.9% of the city's population was of Mexican heritage.[25] Non-Hispanic Whites were 29.4% of the population in 2010,[24] down from 86.2% in 1970.

to Redondo Beach, which is 75% White, 3% Black?

"I am White Flight"
 


But I'm sure he donates all his fantastic salary to great causes and wouldn't spend money on fancy restaurants. He probably eats at a soup kitchen, right?

Well like I said, Long Beach isn't great but one place I can give you is the Long Beach Thai Restaurant at the corner of 10th and Redondo.   It's tucked away facing the McDonald's drive through, and it's the place where the tables are packed with Thai immigrants.   It gets props from my thai friends and foodies alike, though it doesn't look like much from the outside(or inside).

Most of the "high-end" restaurants in downtown you should stay away from because they're not worth it.  L'Opera is OK, but you can do better for the money, as well as 555 East.   Parker's Lighthouse is OK as well, but mostly cool because they have a pack of cats that roams the perimeter of the restaurant.   As far as pubs though, a lot of folks swear by Congregation.

If you're looking for a brunch place, there's way more choice in LB than WLA, especially in the Belmont Heights/Shore area.   I'd give my vote to The Potholder.  Standard brunch diner fair, but done pretty well and you get a huge selection and huge portions for your money.  I haven't been to the downtown location, just the Belmont Shore one.  I'd say do not go to Starlings Diner, which is hipster as hell, overpriced, and essentially exactly the place they were making fun of on the brunch episode of Portlandia.  Including the massive line.

On 2nd Street, a lot of places have turned over in the past year and I don't know that I can give you something up to date on them.   If you like french, La Creperie is still pretty good, even after the change in ownership, and while it tries a bit hard to be ~french~ it's one of my favorite places.

I think LB is gradually becoming a trendier place to eat, and in 5 years the list will be much longer.  However right now, it's essentially like the club scene in Long Beach:  If you were going to make something really neat, there's not a whole lot of reason you wouldn't just build your place in LA.

Oh, and I guess if you invest your fiancee's money in stocks and shit you're not an evil capitalist. I mean, it's not your money, right?

Are Fidelity and Vanguard essentially interchangeable for someone looking to park their money for a while?  You can click my post history in the thread for details, but I'm essentially looking to put my fiancees money into a low risk mid-term bond fund to beat inflation(if possible) for a few years, and she already has a retirement account through Fidelity.

So after going on and on with long winded arguments about Marxism and the Revolution, inequality, working conditions, prisons, race, etc...whelp, it turns out he's a massive fucking hypocrite who makes stupid money working for billion dollar companies. Remember that next time he's lecturing you about priviliege and the evils of capitalism.
 

Next, how does a Feminist Crusader find love in LA? And what kind of love is he looking for? Parents, you might want to send the kids to the other room for this part of our program!

Check your premise.  I can stop reading your post right here, because this is a massively debatable opinion that you're trying to pass as fact.

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Part III Hello, Ladies!

Upon graduating with his "Packaging Science" "Degree" (BS) Zeitgueist moved to California. For a Rochester born and bred boy, he had a tough time adjusting. He posted on a lot of different sites looking for friendship and love. Someone to while away the hours with and talk socialism.

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/zeitgueist?cf=profile

I'm living in Long Beach, trying to be social, enjoying life.
What I’m doing with my life
I finished school, and now I've moved to California to take a job, booya. I work normal 9 to 5, and I try to fill the spaces in between with as much fun as possible.

I moved out here knowing almost nobody, so I'm trying to meet new people. This sites a start, I think. It's odd going from a place where you had friends who were friends from elementary school.
I’m really good at
Making friends, making people feel comfortable, and listening. Also, I'm really good at trivia games, because I never met a useless fact that I didn't like.
The first things people usually notice about me
I'm talkative, funny, and intelligent. Actually the first thing they probably notice is that I'm a guy. Then the way I look. Then possibly what I'm wearing. Then the personality stuff. Who knows?

I’m looking for

    Girls who like guys
    Ages 22–35
    Near me
    For casual sex

You should message me if
If you want to talk to a someone who can actually make an interesting conversation.

http://www.fling.com/profiles/men/z/ze/zeitgueist.html

Well, I guess I need something in here to start. I'm friendly, understanding, experienced, kinky, curious, open-minded, always willing to learn, confident and humble(sometimes). I'm a good person to talk to, and I have a pretty good sense of humor. This is sounding like an ego-stroking session, and there's probably too much stroking, ego or otherwise, on this site.

New to LA, and finding that my social pool is way smaller than it was back home, since I lived there my entire life, and know next to nobody out here. Looking for fun with cool gals. I'm pretty open-minded, tell me what you're into.

Casual sex, eh? What kind of woman is he looking for? He's a Strong Feminist Crusader, after all.

Generally, if you're down with gender equality and want to talk about the issues men face due to patriarchy without being misogynists, you're a feminist.

Essentially the only reason to make your own separate movement is because they're not getting it.

If your solution to men stumbling into feminist spaces and pissing people off because of unrealized patriarchal behavior is to make a special space just for them, you're also not getting it.

As a male feminists, you aren't required to be silent in feminist spaces, just to not dominate them.   Feminism shouldn't be for feminist spaces, it should be for all spaces.  If you want to talk about how patriarchy hurts you, for for it, shout it from the rooftops, bring it into all of the discussion threads.  All of them.

:getin:

These are generally outdated criticisms of feminism, and show that the people discussing it aren't really much interested in looking into the subject or reading anything beyond a caricature they found on the internet.   Much of modern feminism considers intersectionality a key concept.

If you or anyone else in this thread believes that feminism doesn't consider class struggle the issues facing people of color, I suggest you read the femthread over in E/N for a good start.   Feminism isn't about representing women equally in government or the ruling class, it's about equality for everyone, including men.

Also, always always read bell hooks.

My, he does go ON

Masculinity is a creation of society.    That construct of masculinity creates a similar cage to what patriarchy does to women through an idealized concept of femininity.  You've argument here is a lot of sound and fury, but containing little substance.   I'm not simply going to accept you saying it is a red herring, you're going to have to provide some content.

Men have a tendency to try and be louder voices than women, even in conversations pertaining to women's issues.   This is patriarchy in action, and telling you to shit down and shut up means that maybe you could let someone else talk for even a minute.

Men often feel that any kind of abridgment of their right to control the social sphere as an attack on them as a whole, and that's a common effect of patriarchy.

FUCKING MEN!

So what kind of woman does a progressive feminist like? Let's look at that Fling profile again.

zeitgueist    
is a Man interested in a Woman for: Fetish, Groupsex, Sexual relations, Online flirting, Other

wait, what?

Let's look around some more. Oh here's another profi--

Oh my.
https://www.bondage.com/u/1812351/user.html

Oh MY.
http://www.collarme.com/personals/v/377416/default.htm
http://www.collarme.com/viewjournal.asp?v=Zeitgueist&bhcp=1
 

"May I respectfully touch your breast YOU FUCKING WHORE?!"

Well what can I say about myself? I'm a young guy, but not immature. I'm dominant, in and out of the bedroom. I'm not the kind of guy that confuses "dominant" with "asshole", but I very much like to be in control. I enjoy rope play, roughness, roleplay, spanking, flogging, mind fuck, etc. I'm pretty well experienced, but I also wouldn't say I'm a Master at what I do...On the other hand, I'm VERY good at what I do know.   I have about a few(3) years of dedicated experience, and no complaints.

I tend to be intuitive, and I'm good at reading emotions in the face and body language of others. I'm a sadistbut that encompasses a lot of things, not just physical pain and discomfort. I'm willing to talk to painsluts, but to me that means someone who primarily gets off on pain, rather that someone who uses pain get into subspace. If you're not into pain at all(and I mean not spanking or the like) that's not really an issue, I enjoy giving it only because the sub enjoys getting it.

I guess I may be a wannabe actor, because I definitely enjoy roleplay and playing a character. Anything from spontaneous play with a general theme, to ridiculously planned scenes.

I'm living by the beach in LA, have a good job at a large company, and I can talk to pretty much anyone.

I can provide references from this site upon request, but that's kinda silly, don't you think?

A sadist who enjoys "painsluts" and designs children's toys.
 

5/27/2008 10:50:26 PM
I attended Camp Crucible this past weekend, somewhere in wilds of the North East USA. What an amazing experience....I could probably write several entries on it, and probably will, but I'll try to keep it a bit more geared to the casual reader of my journal. Camp is run by Crucible, a very well-regarded BDSM organization based out of D.C. It is a multi-day camping even geared towards BDSM, with cabins, meals, playspace and many other things provided.Some fun memories: 1) People doing scenes anywhere and everywhere 2) the auction (I was sold to a sub, who I did a scene with, and I bought a sub, who I also played with) 3) Meeting tons of people I NEVER would have met otherwise 4) Seeing all kinds of play I have not seen done before 5) Kidnappings! 6) Co-domming with a friend 7) Sunday night fun in Heaven. Lots more than that, but I'm exhausted and will go longer another day.

What's goin' on? Oh not much just bowling with my S&M friends

    2/19/2008 12:30:51 AM
Yesterday(Sunday) I went out bowling with some local BDSM folks, same group as the munch.   I got made fun of for being carded at the bar....apparently I look like I'm 18 or something.   It's funny, because before I shaved my beard, I *never* got carded.   When I finally shaved, friends told me I looked younger, and I guess they weren't kidding.   I'm OK with that though, better to look too young, than too old.I sucked at bowling, by the way.  I'm terribly inconsistent.   Maybe I needed more alcohol in me.  I was a good boy and only had one beer.  On the other hand, one of the women on my lane went 6 frames with no pins, so there is ALWAYS someone worse.

Sorry, womyn, I can't make it to the candlelight march for rape survivors, I have a bondage duct tape workshop to go to.

5/5/2008 10:49:47 PM
Okay, so 2 months have gone by and I haven't updated.   I'm a bad person.    I've been pretty busy, so maybe I have an excuse, but that's lame.  Anyhow, I went to Insight at the Lair de Sade the other day, and saw a really cool workshop on using duct tape for bondage.   It was really creative, the instructor was very funny, and it gave me a lot of ideas I'd like to try.   I also joined the Lair, and went to their play party later that night.    They have a great setup and a lot of great people.   I didn't have a sub along, however, so it was somewhat frustrating.   I get a lot of ideas and I like to be able to try them out.   But still, I met some cool folks and had some fun, and I look forward to going back.

5/9/2008 8:52:29 PM
Hell yes, I just got a new pair of floggers today.    They're matched, and both really nice!   I'm told they have never struck flesh before, and I can't wait to break them in.

5/13/2008 3:52:20 AM
So I missed DomCon over the weekend, and I had been intending to go, in order to make some purchases....though after having bought my floggers, I think I maxed out my BDSM budget for the month.   If I had gone to the Con, I'd just have spent more.    I had some fun yesterday riding the bus(!) in LA, and wandering the city with a friend.   No real goal or destination, and it was great fun.   You just need to wander sometimes.

Here's another "package" Zeitgueist designed


Boy, he sure respects women!

2/19/2008 11:50:01 PM
I tried something I never thought I'd try today...Bikram Yoga.  I'm not really the Yoga type, but I have a decent amount of money riding on a weight-loss contest at work, and I figured it would help me shed a few extra pounds.   Holy.  Shit.   What Bikram is, is they put you in a room thats cranked to 105 degrees(F), and then make you do yoga for 90 minutes.   I thought I was going to die, and I would have welcomed it.  But I felt really good when I left, and sweat out like 5 pounds.   I figured it would also be nice because the women wear next to nothing in the class, but honestly, everyone is damp and stinky, and it's not very sexy.

Guns generally are heavily tied in with feelings of masculinity and power, cargo cult or not.    Guns are special because they don't require physical ability to make a person dangerous, which is helpful for people who do not feel they are physically imposing.

If you want to walk around with most other weapons, your size or fitness level is more likely to come into play.

For what it's worth, I think a lot of weapon purchases are linked to masculinity.   Even ridiculous knives and swords.

Or I guess you could, you know, tie up some sluts and slap them around to get an erection.
 : "Hurt me, hurt me!"

Part IIIa Where's Zeitgueist?

Now, Zeitgueist isn't just a crusader on SA, he likes to go to other places too. I mean, he gets banned and probated so much, shoot, he might be banned even as you read this! But he can't stop his awesome internet arguing, so when he's banned he has a second home.

www.atheismplus.com
These guys are fucking HARDCORE. It's like a forum full of Zeitgueists. And they love to use those stupid, petty internet arguing rules, yelling at each other about strawmanning, tone policing, etc. Of course, he didn't lurk and just instead came in at 100% Zeitgueist. They didn't take to that:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4353&p=75686#p75686

Zeitgueist, I'm not Ellie, but for myself I can say that the way you present your objections to microloans, from your own strong principle-based objection to citing no first-hand information, does come across strongly as if You Know Better Than The People It Is About What Is Best For Them.

You may be entirely right about how destructive microloans are -- but the manner in which you present your case is pretty off-putting and not convincing, IMO.

This sounds like a tone argument. What would you like in order to be more convincing? Neither one of us has actually been a poor person in Bangledash(I assume), we're both quite removed from the actual situation.

 qmartindale did a very good job a few posts up IMO. Less debate club like: acknowledging Morganna and asking questions rather than making bold claims with highly charged adjectives, almost no "I, me, my, mine" words, no sarcasm -- that's the kind of style that can convince me. YMMV

Again, this is a tone argument.

I'm not really being convinced by Morganna when sh/xe is accusing me of being blinded by privilege, is making up statements that I never made, and using hypotheticals to prove points. Rather than do a point-by-point refutation of why I never said things, I'll merely call them a strawman. That's not a debate club, I despise debate clubs.

I liked qmartindale's post. I am not qmartindale.

Zeit, please get some better arguments, period. Loaded rhetoric and cries of "tone argument!" when told to put in more arguments and less loaded rhetoric don't equal arguments.

Tone policing is a terrible objection to my argument, and it's literally the first thing the Rules post says not to do(after Wheaton's Law, of course). The reason is it's a bad way to dispute is because it's not an actual counter, it's a dismissal based on personal standards of civility.

If you have a problem with "loaded rhetoric", awesome. Stop having a meta-argument and actually engage with me.

I would, unfortunately, I can't find a valuable argument to engage with. I can find what might be arguments if they weren't so loaded with accusatory rhetoric and hyper-skeptical "questions". I can find bare assertions with little evidence to back them. I can even find attempts to lawyer through our rules in order to not reflect on one's own behaviour and how said behaviour might come off as a bit assholish.

I cannot find valuable arguments of the sort qmartindale made above. Please make some, so they may be addressed.

Setar is dispensing sound advice here. Take it.

-sigh-

This is not some major big-tent forum where the users mill about and the moderators are mostly invisibly doing their jobs and posting in mod-only forums and the admins are gods who make changes from on high.(Doxxnote:"YES WE KNOW YOU'RE FROM SOMETHING AWFUL, ZEITGUEIST!") This is a community, where the userbase -- including the mods and admins -- actively get to know one another and talk amongst ourselves all the time. One of the things we decided as a community was that there is a point where "tone policing!" becomes a shield for bad behaviour. It might not be easy to determine exactly where that point is, but I'm damn sure that when the people agreeing with you tell you to get better arguments and you tell them not to tone-police, you've gone well past it.

The solution? Stop complaining about the fact that we're pointing out your bad behaviour, and address your bad behaviour.

By the end of the thread they were accusing him of being a White Asshole who was patronizing to The Brown People and suggesting he go back to remedial posting school in their private members only forum.


Keep in mind this is a hardcore athiest leftwing social justice forum where they are so pozzed that they put their "preferred gender pronouns" in their sigs. Life is tough outside the hugbox, eh?

In another thread, Zeit clutches his pearls and is SHOCKED, SHOCKED I TELL YOU that moderators of the sensitive social justice board were using "gendered pejoratives to make a joke"--douche--which he mansplained to those ladies was an offensive term to himself and other women.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4564&p=79844#p79844


And that folks, is Zeitgueist. What a fine fellow! I bet they'd be even more surprised at his hypocrisy and his poor "consensual" treatment of women there, eh? And boy, would the SJW at SA sure be interested to know all about the truth of this Fine Upstanding Crusader. The folks in GiP, FYAD, and pwn would probably love to know too! Next time he decides to Inform you with an Effortpost to Outreach about Capitalism or Women, make sure you let everyone know!

[PUSSY CANCER]

NIGGER DEATH 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Holy shit

[Catfish Harasser]

Well at least he isn't unemployed like most goons

[Slacktivist]

The great and noble alpha slacktivist does not have time to waste his money on anything but the finest flesh floggers.

Dog you are a true american hero 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000 v4.0]

Well at least he isn't unemployed like most goons

He probably makes more than The Finn.

[Trioptimum Greeter]

 

[Dental Grade Dildo]

Well at least he isn't unemployed like most goons

He probably makes more than The Finn.

Hell, probably more than the last three doxxees put together.

btw, in all his posts you googled, did he ever claim Jewish oppression points ancestry? 'Cause that would fit to a T.

[Kaneda]

Loving the kinky side to this sad dad-looking goon and the poor sow he flogs and binds 

[Launchpad McQuack]

He's a feminist, but gets off on doing sadistic things to women and treating them like slaves.

He's a militant marxist, but earns his comfortable living by exploiting Asian kids making slave wages.

He's not a racist, but has done his best to move as far away from colored people as he can.

Did I sum that up right?

[gaaaayyyyyy]

What about his black fiance?  He always brought that up to remind people how authentic he is I guess.  Did they break up, or was it all shitthatdidnthappen.txt?

Also, lollin at that guy's punchable face.

[Bitter Weirdo]

Fucking incredible work gentlemen. 
 

E-cred: Demolished.

[Dog-O-Tron 5000 v4.0]

btw, in all his posts you googled, did he ever claim Jewish oppression points ancestry? 'Cause that would fit to a T.

Didn't see anything about that.

What about his black fiance?  He always brought that up to remind people how authentic he is I guess.  Did they break up, or was it all shitthatdidnthappen.txt?

He has a fiance that he mentions a few times and was looking for a ring for her (non conflict diamonds, of course!). She's a physician's assisstant in LA. So imagine the next cute PA you see at the doctor's office with a ballgag getting whipped by this dweeb while he reads Marx.

[PUSSY CANCER]

He has a fiance that he mentions a few times and was looking for a ring for her (non conflict diamonds, of course!). She's a physician's assisstant in LA. So imagine the next cute PA you see at the doctor's office with a ballgag getting whipped by this dweeb while he reads Marx.

She's also a whale beast

[bongo bongo]

it's kind of ironic that pussy whipped liberal would be into s&m, humiliation and all that kinky shit that is all about objectifying women and treating them like objects

[Babomb]

Ha, what a fucking crock.

He's sure champining womens right when he dominates them in S&M games.

[Babomb]

He's a feminist, but gets off on doing sadistic things to women and treating them like slaves.

He's a militant marxist, but earns his comfortable living by exploiting Asian kids making slave wages.

He's not a racist, but has done his best to move as far away from colored people as he can.

Did I sum that up right?

Yes.  Sums it up perfectly.

[unprivsplain]

The BDSM thing makes sense if his posts were from 2008. He might have been so ashamed of it, he turned into what he is now. Was his posting noteworthy at all between 2003-2008?

[cis miss]

sadly there's probably some sjw way to excuse his crap. i mean sjws think prostitution is a noble profession now and "sex workers" do nothing wrong so getting beat by a man and being called a slut is probably empowering in some way

[Cisnormative Commando]

The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance of this faggot is fucking staggering. Also he has the most punchable face I've ever seen.

[Coyote Attic]

The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance of this faggot is fucking staggering. Also he has the most punchable face I've ever seen.

[FALSE FLAG POSTING EVENT]

So he's whipping a black woman and making her call him Massah?

[gaaaayyyyyy]

He has a fiance that he mentions a few times and was looking for a ring for her (non conflict diamonds, of course!). She's a physician's assisstant in LA. So imagine the next cute PA you see at the doctor's office with a ballgag getting whipped by this dweeb while he reads Marx.

She's also a whale beast

Anyone have any pictures of this?  Pretty lol.