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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2017, 03:09:27 AM »
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The hair, beak, and feet are accented in gold, which has essentially no negative connotations; it's used solely to strengthen the "get it, it's DRUMPF" aesthetic. Gold is an ancient symbol of wealth and power, and they're deliberately associating it with their enemy without presenting any kind of explicit or implicit argument as to why it's a bad thing.

Get it he made pee pee on prostitutes
Meanwhile they throw gold at each other as a reward and wonder why this effects nobody but their own circlejerk

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2017, 04:59:27 AM »
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Yeah, Alt-left is really bad from a negative-marketing standpoint. IMO the use of the "Alt" prefix will forever associate antifa with the Alt-Right, and that's not what we want. The Alt-Right has explicitly told their members NOT to engage in violence, and so far hasn't, except defensively. Antifa, on the other hand is 100%guilty of all the things Rocket mentioned. We don't need to create a mnemonic device associating /ourguys/ with piss bag throwing degenerates.

I'm not so sure about that.

Normies will see the window-smashing and general chimping out either way. But normies still don't like overt (as opposed to covert) fascism, and "Antifa" as a name says 'hey, we aren't the ones who started this, we totally would be law-abiding citizen if it weren't for these darn fascists. Did you ever hear about us before Trump became president?' (We did, but normies largely didn't).

Alt-left puts them on an equal ground with the Alt-right. This is bad if you already sympathize with the latter. But if you've been watching the [[[media]]] and you think the Alt-right are evil incarnate, moving to "both sides are bad" is an improvement. Keep in mind that the current party line being repeated over and over is "Charlottesville: people who want genocide vs people who want universal healthcare". It's a decent line, aimed at normalizing Antifa as being just a bunch of your milquetoast liberal neighbors who had to act in self-defense.

If you can counter that line and get normies to "both sides are bad", there's a chance they will actually look at both sides, and then it's a battle of who can radicalize redpill the normies better.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2017, 07:50:17 AM »
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Nah, "antifa" is fine.  Anytime you hear about antifa it has to do with rioting and criminal activity.  A similar problem is plaguing Nigger Lives Matter, which is why you don't hear much about them anymore except on leftist protest signs compared to 1-2 years ago.  BLM is associated with rioting, criminal activity, and cop killers.  ((Soros)) has stopped using them.  He's using the antifa but they're beshitting their reputation so much that I wouldn't be surprised that in 2018 we hear of yet another violent leftist organization.  Shit in, shit out.

The alt-right is totally different because the media has been pushing the narrative that they are a secret yet omnipresent organization, primarily by using Pepe the Frog.  The media has overkiked the alt right narrative where they are sexist racist nazis but then they are in all levels of the government, in Trump's White House, on TV, in comic books, etc.  The omnipresent conspiracy.  If the alt right is everywhere and anywhere, then it just doesn't register the same impact as chimping niggers and dangerhairs.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2017, 10:59:12 PM »
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #79 on: August 18, 2017, 07:27:01 AM »
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2017, 12:20:24 PM »
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For future reference it was some weedy geeky looking white motherfucker rapping in a mediocre manner about how he wants to defecate on Trump. In the "music" video he goes on the Hollywood walk of fame and shits on the Trump star like a dirty fucking pajeet in the Ganges. It was almost universally downvoted and ironically shat on in the comments when it was still up, not surprised it got taken down.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #81 on: August 18, 2017, 12:27:29 PM »
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The problem with 'antifa' as a designator is surprisingly simple - it's weird and difficult to pronounce. Even among talk radio and TV I've heard it pronounced at least three different ways and it always sounds unnatural. Nobody wants to say it, and the left and the media have done a good job rebranding the concept of 'antifa' as 'anti-Nazi, just like our boys in WW2' and other such comparisons.  It also consolidates BLM, antifa, communists, socialists, and other assorted shitlib agitators (plus the 'respectable' lefty protesters) into one catch-all label.

The fact that there have been multiple thinkpieces this week telling people not to use 'Alt-left' on top of the AP adding Alt-left to their style guide (and telling them to use it the same way they use Alt-right) should be a good indicator of its effectiveness.

They embrace antifa and they screech when you use Alt-left. So use Alt-left.

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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2017, 12:45:22 PM »
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The problem with 'antifa' as a designator is surprisingly simple - it's weird and difficult to pronounce. Even among talk radio and TV I've heard it pronounced at least three different ways and it always sounds unnatural. Nobody wants to say it, and the left and the media have done a good job rebranding the concept of 'antifa' as 'anti-Nazi, just like our boys in WW2' and other such comparisons.  It also consolidates BLM, antifa, communists, socialists, and other assorted shitlib agitators (plus the 'respectable' lefty protesters) into one catch-all label.

The fact that there have been multiple thinkpieces this week telling people not to use 'Alt-left' on top of the AP adding Alt-left to their style guide (and telling them to use it the same way they use Alt-right) should be a good indicator of its effectiveness.

They embrace antifa and they screech when you use Alt-left. So use Alt-left.
But antifa uses antifa and they do terrible things so I want them to tie their own name to their own actions. Using a name they don't go by works against the goal of having them associated with their actions.
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« Reply #83 on: August 18, 2017, 12:49:58 PM »
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Most establishment Republicans don't go by the name "cuck" either, but it fits pretty well.

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« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2017, 01:01:42 PM »
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Most establishment Republicans don't go by the name "cuck" either, but it fits pretty well.
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.....and irrelevant. The subgroup "establishment Republicans" don't name themselves at all. That's why there is no good moniker for them. You think cuck works but it doesn't because when you say cuck you are talking about a much larger group than "establishment Republicans." You can't actually think that when someone says cuck, everyone thinks, "Oh, he means the GOPe." Because GOPe has caught on much better as a name for that subgroup and even GOPe is pretty recondite. The terms liberal, socialist, faggot, Leftist... none of those work when you are trying to label antifa. Antifa has labeled itself and it is a colossal waste of time and energy to try to force a rebrand on them when you should be spending your time and energy on linking their name and their actions.

I actually like the fact that it's a stupid, hard to pronounce name. Google "Ruth's Chris is a stupid name" and see how many people won't eat there because of that stupid retarded name. Example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dumb-company-names-in-a-sound-bite-world/ That bitch was so lazy and stupid she couldn't rebrand and people get as mad about her restaurant's name as they do when they see a grown man in Crocs. Antifa engenders immediate dislike. Before you heard of SA, would you ever think that the term "low tax" would fill you with revulsion?

So let antifa keep the name they chose and all the baggage that comes with it. When normies ask who they are, everyone will give the same answer: the socialists who have been rioting.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2017, 01:40:57 PM »
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I think Antifa and Alt-Left should be used interchangeably. The reason "Antifa" sounds so weird coming out of an American's mouth is the simple fact that it's literally a foreign portmanteau; it'll never sound natural in an American accent. Antifa is just like all those weird slang terms foreigners have for things that sound gay or dumb or just totally wrong to American ears, like Australians calling hardcore outlaw bikers "bikies", or a German talking about answering a call on their "handy".

Call them Antifa when they're out LARPing, because it immediately labels them as a violent, foreign-influenced mob.
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« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2017, 03:02:20 PM »
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BTW, do you understand that most people are pronouncing "AntiFa" wrong?

It's not "uhn-teeee-fa". The stress is on the last syllable. "Uhn-te-faaaa".
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« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2017, 03:14:34 PM »
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"Uhn?" Who the fuck would pronounce it "uhn?" That's like when people type "they took are jerbs!" In my whole life I have never heard anyone pronounce it jerbs.
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« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2017, 03:18:00 PM »
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Rebranding works. For evidence, see 'Fake news' and how a slur towards the right and 'Macedonian content farms' became synonymous with CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, and others just by sheer force of will and the bully pulpit.

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« Reply #89 on: August 18, 2017, 03:25:04 PM »
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Rebranding works. For evidence, see 'Fake news' and how a slur towards the right and 'Macedonian content farms' became synonymous with CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, and others just by sheer force of will and the bully pulpit.
I would argue that the Left sees Breitbart, et al, as fake news and the Right sees all else as fake news. It's still a failure because there is no consensus on what fake news is, mainly because Conway said it first.
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Re: Charlie Don't Meme
« Reply #90 on: August 18, 2017, 04:08:45 PM »
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"Uhn?" Who the fuck would pronounce it "uhn?" That's like when people type "they took are jerbs!" In my whole life I have never heard anyone pronounce it jerbs.

I don't know, I've heard quite a few people say it like this. In any case, the first syllable isn't the problem. The stress being in the wrong place is the problem.

On the other hand it doesn't really matter at all and it was a pointless derail and fucking sorry for bringing it up you twats.
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« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2017, 04:08:49 PM »
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The problem with 'antifa' as a designator is surprisingly simple - it's weird and difficult to pronounce. Even among talk radio and TV I've heard it pronounced at least three different ways and it always sounds unnatural. Nobody wants to say it, and the left and the media have done a good job rebranding the concept of 'antifa' as 'anti-Nazi, just like our boys in WW2' and other such comparisons.  It also consolidates BLM, antifa, communists, socialists, and other assorted shitlib agitators (plus the 'respectable' lefty protesters) into one catch-all label.

The fact that there have been multiple thinkpieces this week telling people not to use 'Alt-left' on top of the AP adding Alt-left to their style guide (and telling them to use it the same way they use Alt-right) should be a good indicator of its effectiveness.

They embrace antifa and they screech when you use Alt-left. So use Alt-left.

Actually just call them and everyone that defends them communists.  Do not let them hide behind labels. 

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« Reply #92 on: August 18, 2017, 04:13:22 PM »
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Fresh example via MPC, and one with effort and money behind it to boot. If you're against Donald Trump, does this seem like a good idea to you?



It actually says "Donald Trump can't read this, but he's scared of it," but that doesn't matter at all because 99% of the eyeballs that look at it can't read it either, and it's white Arabic text on a black background. Say, that sounds familiar...



Oh, and the "Nuisance Committee" that paid for the billboard is run by a Jew named Max Temkin, one of the guys responsible for Cards Against Humanity.
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« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2017, 04:54:33 PM »
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Another big own goal that's happening right now:



This has kicked off a firestorm and has three yuge problems tied to it.

For one thing a lot of Jews are handwringing about it being antisemitic, which is hilarious, but the problem with that is that it was written by a Jewess HuffPo editor, and it's a Yiddish word used almost exclusively by Jews (and, these days, the Alt-Right).

The second thing is that it clumsily plays right into the hands of an Alt-Right narrative about Jewish control and influence in the media. It makes it look as though the mask has literally sipped off and now some of them are trying to gloat.

The third thing is that if you step outside of the internet/social media bubble for one second you'd realize that over 90% of the country has probably never read or heard the word "goy", and now they're going to because of all the kvetching thundering outward from HuffPo. And the meaning and useage of Goy(im) is not going to go over well with some of them.

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Atlantic writer Adam Server wrote that it was going to “stir up a few” of the “alt-right,” tweeting an image of a frog’s head in reference to Pepe the Frog, the anti-Semitic icon of the movement. But others thought it was offensive. “I love your work, but wish you hadn’t gone with this headline,” journalist Julia Ioffe wrote.

“Yes, this is disgusting, on so many levels,” Joel Berkowitz, founder of the Digital Yiddish Theatre Project responded on Twitter.

The Anti-Defamation League even weighed in. “Not sure your intent, but strikes me as poor taste at best, very offensive at worst,” ADL head Jonathan Greenblatt wrote in a tweet.

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« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2017, 05:04:18 PM »
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Most establishment Republicans don't go by the name "cuck" either, but it fits pretty well.
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.....and irrelevant. The subgroup "establishment Republicans" don't name themselves at all. That's why there is no good moniker for them. You think cuck works but it doesn't because when you say cuck you are talking about a much larger group than "establishment Republicans." You can't actually think that when someone says cuck, everyone thinks, "Oh, he means the GOPe." Because GOPe has caught on much better as a name for that subgroup and even GOPe is pretty recondite. The terms liberal, socialist, faggot, Leftist... none of those work when you are trying to label antifa. Antifa has labeled itself and it is a colossal waste of time and energy to try to force a rebrand on them when you should be spending your time and energy on linking their name and their actions.

I actually like the fact that it's a stupid, hard to pronounce name. Google "Ruth's Chris is a stupid name" and see how many people won't eat there because of that stupid retarded name. Example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dumb-company-names-in-a-sound-bite-world/ That bitch was so lazy and stupid she couldn't rebrand and people get as mad about her restaurant's name as they do when they see a grown man in Crocs. Antifa engenders immediate dislike. Before you heard of SA, would you ever think that the term "low tax" would fill you with revulsion?

So let antifa keep the name they chose and all the baggage that comes with it. When normies ask who they are, everyone will give the same answer: the socialists who have been rioting.

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« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2017, 10:01:35 PM »
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« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2017, 12:20:30 AM »
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« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2017, 02:46:36 AM »
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      We should call Antifa Alt-Right because the only alternative to right is left. Nationalists should stop using alt-right as a moniker because SJWs will be happy to just call them right wing. It will normalize them as what the right wing represents and cement the fact that they have supplanted Neocons. Nationalists should say "There's nothing alternative about us, we ARE the right." Commies will agree wholeheartedly.

Any time someone says "Alt right" just say "You mean the left right? Because that's the only alternative to right."

Meme it until it sticks in people's heads. It's a simple quip.



      Now as far as monuments are concerned, plant the idea that the real reason white SJWs want to get rid of the statues isn't because they care about minority feelings, but because they are embarassed of their history and want to hide it. Suggest that white SJWs will want to eventually conceal the fact that slavery ever happened. Point out that they are picking inanimate targets that can't fight back in order to win social kudos easily. Say that they aren't doing enough to combat real and active systems of oppression.

Call out white SJWs as the slacktivist assholes they are to the people whose approval they are trying to win. It exploits the fracture point between white SJWs and their targets and demoralizes the white SJW who is told once again:

"Not good enough."

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« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2017, 07:36:15 AM »
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      We should call Antifa Alt-Right because the only alternative to right is left. Nationalists should stop using alt-right as a moniker because SJWs will be happy to just call them right wing. It will normalize them as what the right wing represents and cement the fact that they have supplanted Neocons. Nationalists should say "There's nothing alternative about us, we ARE the right." Commies will agree wholeheartedly.

Any time someone says "Alt right" just say "You mean the left right? Because that's the only alternative to right."

Meme it until it sticks in people's heads. It's a simple quip.



      Now as far as monuments are concerned, plant the idea that the real reason white SJWs want to get rid of the statues isn't because they care about minority feelings, but because they are embarassed of their history and want to hide it. Suggest that white SJWs will want to eventually conceal the fact that slavery ever happened. Point out that they are picking inanimate targets that can't fight back in order to win social kudos easily. Say that they aren't doing enough to combat real and active systems of oppression.

Call out white SJWs as the slacktivist assholes they are to the people whose approval they are trying to win. It exploits the fracture point between white SJWs and their targets and demoralizes the white SJW who is told once again:

"Not good enough."

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« Reply #99 on: August 19, 2017, 07:19:12 PM »
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Now as far as monuments are concerned, plant the idea that the real reason white SJWs want to get rid of the statues isn't because they care about minority feelings, but because they are embarassed of their history and want to hide it. Suggest that white SJWs will want to eventually conceal the fact that slavery ever happened. Point out that they are picking inanimate targets that can't fight back in order to win social kudos easily. Say that they aren't doing enough to combat real and active systems of oppression.

This is a very good idea. But for the most part, you guys are trying to move the whole ocean. You don't know how marketing works. Why do you think you can retrain the enemy to use the words you want them to use? They will not change. So let them use antifa and show what antifa actually means by showing the actual things antifa does. I can't imagine anything easier. Just tell the truth. It has the greatest chance of success. You poison that name and these idiots will be so wedded to it they will continue to fly their flags. They will tell people they are antifa.
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