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FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« on: December 15, 2017, 07:11:05 AM »
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What the hell is it? Why do all my liberal friends keep sounding the alarm ( they do with everything, like if it weren't for the fact that my friends organize everything through social networks I'd delete it.) When can I point and laugh at how wrong they are/were?

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2017, 07:27:22 AM »
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On the one hand, there is no good reason to remove it.

On the other hand, some people claim it is a complete non-issue:

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 08:02:05 AM »
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It's a huge nothingburger with corporate brawling in the background.

But the reaction of bugmen, acting like the e-rapture is happening while most of them have no idea how economics or the internet work, is fucking hilarious.
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 08:18:01 AM »
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The FCC just repealed their decision from a couple of years ago where they magically granted themselves the authority to regulate the internet.  Because if there is anything that the FCC is known for, it's preserving freedom and making businesses more efficient!

So now we are back to the dark ages of 2015, when ISPs were shutting down traffic left and right, internet speeds were slower, and bills were higher.  Wait, you mean you don't remember this?  Well trust me, it really happened!

But seriously, the Liberal REE-REE-ing over net neutrality is the type of alternate reality shit that George Orwell wrote about. 

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 08:24:42 AM »
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I don't understand a damn thing about NN but dag gummit if Reddit is fer it, I'm again' it

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 08:36:28 AM »
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I don't understand a damn thing about NN but dag gummit if Reddit is fer it, I'm again' it

I don't know about reddit, but Facebook and Google are overwhelmingly for it.  And it was an Obama era thing.  That should tell you just about everything that you need to know.
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 09:44:57 AM »
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I don't understand a damn thing about NN but dag gummit if Reddit is fer it, I'm again' it

I don't know about reddit, but Facebook and Google are overwhelmingly for it.  And it was an Obama era thing.  That should tell you just about everything that you need to know.

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 09:45:24 AM »
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https://m.imgur.com/a/h232O#PC2wR2l
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 09:54:28 AM »
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https://m.imgur.com/a/h232O#PC2wR2l
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I don't believe that there is that much premeditation to it. 

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 11:50:17 AM »
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I used to have a job launching and managing Amazon EC2 instances and Rackspace hosted Apache servers for a midrange content delivery provider. We acted as a DNS host for a number of high volume websites.

I could write an in-depth full-sperg UML diagram and provide an incredibly long-winded explination on how content delivery to/from "the edge" works, complete with technical and non-technical examples.

I haven't a clue what the fuck net neutrality specifically is, does, regulates or changes. Yesterday, I shot the shit about net neutrality with...
A) A disaster recovery engineer from Zerto.
B) A server maintenence technician from Markley Group.

Neither of whom had any technical clue what Net Neutrality is, does or effects. If any of you niggerdeathers or lurkers work for an ISP, PLEASE post here, even if you're a bleeding-heart, Clinton Voting shitlib Redditor who is venomously against NN. I am DYING to hear a technical argument, with specifics, for either side.

What the fuck is a fast lane? How the fuck is an ISP going to create a fast lane? You can't boost website speeds without adding servers and/or moving the content closer to the end user(s)'s location.

Why would an ISP throttle certain sites? Not utilizing bandwidth to it's full capacity does not save money or cut costs, so why would be it in an ISP's best interest to piss off their customers? Mind you, with the transparency clause, they are required to report any/all throttling.

Oh and the whole "COMCA$T IS A MONOPOLY, MAAAAN!" rebuttle is... "Ok, prove it! What's your zip code?" Google that shit and you'll typically get a few results that aren't Comcast.

Granted, there are a few locations where Comcast truly is the only option in the US, but I'm yet to actually speak to anyone from a place with no local ISP or local utility company that provides internet.

Every time I've had a net neutrality conversation with someone, they've told me Comcast is their only option. I googled ISPs for their zipcode and presto... At least 1 other major provider and 2 smaller ISPs that provide service to their area. Mind you, the small town ISPs are pretty great, IMO. Boston's RCN was the best internet I've ever had. When I moved out to the suburbs, I used my electricity provider's internet services. They were just as good. Everywhere I've lived, I have never been stuck with Comcast and Comcast alone.
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 12:09:19 PM »
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I don't understand a damn thing about NN but dag gummit if Reddit is fer it, I'm again' it

I don't know about reddit, but Facebook and Google are overwhelmingly for it.  And it was an Obama era thing.  That should tell you just about everything that you need to know.

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The moment I saw faggots on Reddit mewling with complete sincerity about having their internet "taken away" I knew where I stood on this, even though I was still essentially totally uninformed on the issue.
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 02:04:01 PM »
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I actually sperged out and read like 90 pages of the FCC rule that repeals the NN provisions and puts in some new regulation. It's here if you're interested: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347927A1.pdf

There is some good reddit The Donald image that has some good excerpts that, IMO, address the main concerns of general fairness and anti-competitive practices: https://i.imgur.com/zmXNaoS.jpg

Anyway, I learned a lot from reading the order. A big takeaway was the sheer quantity of small businesses operating in the ISP space. Thousands of wireless and broadband ISP's are < 500 employees, under 25 mil in revenue, and even hundreds and hundreds of < 5 mil revenue businesses. The FCC goes through all this analysis and how NN regs hurt them.
Quick example of this:
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Current Commission records show 4,600 cable systems nationwide. Of this total,
3,900 cable systems have fewer than 15,000 subscribers, and 700 systems have 15,000 or more
subscribers, based on the same records. Thus, under this standard as well, we estimate that most cable
systems are small entities.

The majority of ISP's are way disproportionately effected by onerous regulations than the "giant big evil Comcasts" of the country (of which their are very few). The order cites many comments and proceedings of small trade associations (like Wireless ISP's that serve most of non-urban america) and how the costs of compliance w/ NN regs have led to less capital investment, upgrades, etc.

Another interesting fact, since NN was framed as "consumers vs. <insert evil ISP here>" but was really about content providers/hosters (FCC calls them edge providers) like Google, FB, Netflix, Amazon vs.  ISP's is the actual relative sizes of the corporations duking it out:

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In addition, larger edge providers, such as Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft,
likely have countervailing market power that would reduce the prospect of inefficient outcomes due to
ISP market power. For example, the market capitalization of the smallest of these five companies,
Amazon, is more than twice that of the largest ISP, Comcast
, and the market capitalization of Google
alone is greater than every cable company in America combined

Like the T_D image above shows, the new order seems to address every single "THE SKY IS FALLING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" concern that i've seen shilled in social media and by the mainstream media. From throttling, lying about throttling, pay2play or favoritism with certain content providers, it's all addressed by current antitrust law and is more efficiently regulated by the FTC.

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 02:04:37 PM »
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I don't know where I stand because it's impossible to find info on the potential ramifications apart from poz propaganda sources.

The best I can tell is this sets up a giant slapfight between Google/Facebook/Amazon and ISP's, and the actual protections against "discimination" are still in place.

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 02:38:38 PM »
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You don't need to be a technical expert to know that the internet wasn't broken pre-2015.  Nor do you need to work in IT to understand the ramifications of a series of rules endorsed by Socialists like Barack Obama and the people in charge of Facebook, Google, and Twitter. 

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 02:40:19 PM »
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 02:53:31 PM »
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From what I can figure out, Obama's FCC was making a power grab and attempting to put ISPs at a disadvantage to tech giants. It's just a coincidence that tech giants were also giving the dems a bunch of gibs around that time.

ISPs aren't innocent. They were trying to charge companies like Netflix a premium, impliment data caps industry wide, drive users to use their services by zero rating them, scan all the traffic so they can sell your information or inject ads and filter 'unlawful' content.

That's still a million miles away from the doomsday scenario of the internet turning into cable tv with packages like Reddit fags were crying about.

It's also strange how those strong defenders of internet freedom have no problem with Google playing with their search algorithm to derank right wing sources, YouTube ghettoizing any videos that question [[[their]]] narrative, registars deleting problematic domains, Cloudflare playing favorites or any of the other million things that truly threaten the internet.
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2017, 02:55:40 PM »
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What's wrong with charging Netflix a premium?  It's either that or ISPs have to start charging for how much data you use. 

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2017, 03:10:47 PM »
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That Reddit writeup's been posted twice here but only as JPGs?  Here's the original, full of clickable links: http://archive.fo/jXu8Z

The concept that it protected the internet from becoming locked down never made sense anyway, considering the rampant promotion of anti-Trump propaganda online, making it difficult for the not so net savvy to find balanced information.  We've seen plenty of "Net Neutrality" rules broken without any blowback, from goofy things like T-Mobile's "Binge On" service that lets you watch Netflix without burning your data, while Youtube does; to creepy shit like when Google, Cloudflare, and Godaddy collaborated to erase Daily Stormer off of the internet.  "Free and open internet", my ass.

Not to mention, it would seriously not be in Trump's best interests to stifle communication, since that's how he got elected.  Two seconds of critical thinking could bring anyone to that conclusion.

God bless Ajit Pai, and I'm sure anyone who's pro Net Neutrality is secretly a Nazi who hates Indian people.

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2017, 03:14:09 PM »
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From what I can figure out, Obama's FCC was making a power grab

This is exactly the point.  Obama placed $1.2 trillion of our economy under the purview of the FCC.  I.e. the FCC had their regulatory power massively expanded under the false notion of "net neutrality."  It is amazing to me how willfully ignorant the masses are to the massive expansion of federal regulatory power that took place under the Obama administration. 

I remember back when net neutrality became a thing, the issue was throttling, which is ironic considering:


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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2017, 03:19:07 PM »
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2017, 03:52:12 PM »
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What's wrong with charging Netflix a premium?  It's either that or ISPs have to start charging for how much data you use.

In a bubble there's nothing wrong with it.

The problem starts when you combine the ISPs asking for their pound of flesh from Netflix while also implementing data caps on their home users while also zero rating services they own or are partners with.

To give an example: AT&T implements a data cap of 300 GB a month for home users. AT&T demands $$$ from Netflix for generating so much traffic. AT&T exempts DirectTV Now, which they own, from their data caps and does jew magic on their books so they aren't paying any extra for the traffic.

That's why ISP vertical mergers are all the rage now while what's left of Hollywood is trying to consolidate to protect themselves from getting gobbled up by the tech giants.

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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2017, 03:56:18 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2017, 03:57:32 PM »
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2017, 05:44:24 PM »
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What's wrong with charging Netflix a premium?  It's either that or ISPs have to start charging for how much data you use.

In a bubble there's nothing wrong with it.

The problem starts when you combine the ISPs asking for their pound of flesh from Netflix while also implementing data caps on their home users while also zero rating services they own or are partners with.

To give an example: AT&T implements a data cap of 300 GB a month for home users. AT&T demands $$$ from Netflix for generating so much traffic. AT&T exempts DirectTV Now, which they own, from their data caps and does jew magic on their books so they aren't paying any extra for the traffic.

That's why ISP vertical mergers are all the rage now while what's left of Hollywood is trying to consolidate to protect themselves from getting gobbled up by the tech giants.

And those possible scenarios have arisen before, been adjudicated under prior regulations/statutes previous to 2015's net neutrality. The new FCC order specifically uses those examples too:

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(“Although vertical
integration is generally procompetitive, it is of course possible to imagine isolated scenarios in which a vertically
integrated ISP/MVPD would have the incentive and ability to engage in anticompetitive conduct. But such scenarios
could arise only where the firm dominates (or likely will dominate) all relevant markets, both upstream and
downstream. If there are firms that actually possess such market power in specific geographic areas . . . the proper
regulatory response would be to keep those dominant firms from anticompetitively excluding OVD competition, as
antitrust law already does. . . . The proper response is not to restrict the ability of all ISPs (dominant or not) to
engage in any differential treatment (anticompetitive or not) among any edge providers (ISP rivals or not)
.”).

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Section 2 of the Sherman Act, which applies if a firm possesses or has a
dangerous probability of achieving monopoly power, prohibits exclusionary conduct, which can include
refusals to deal and exclusive dealing, tying arrangements, and vertical restraints. 519 Section 2 makes it
illegal for a vertically integrated ISP to anticompetitively favor its content or services over unaffiliated
edge providers’ content or services.520 Treble damages are available under both Section 1 and Section
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Re: FCC Internet "Net Neutrality" Faggotry
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2017, 06:24:23 PM »
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Yeah I don't see why the FCC had to be handed regulatory powers over the most powerful technological innovation of the last 50 years when these situations likely could be handled on a case-by-case basis or they already fall under existing antitrust law.