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Re: The Soyboy Collective
« Reply #250 on: February 06, 2018, 01:42:18 PM »
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If UBI rolls out what stops prices from rising ala the mythical $15 minimum wage goon sacred cow?

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« Reply #251 on: February 06, 2018, 04:00:14 PM »
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If UBI rolls out what stops prices from rising ala the mythical $15 minimum wage goon sacred cow?
You're putting more thought into this than they are. All they want is for someone else to subsidize their lazy ass after mommy and daddy kick the bucket, socioeconomic repercussions be damned.

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« Reply #252 on: February 06, 2018, 04:32:28 PM »
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It's crazy and hilarious to see how many goons are putting all their eggs in the UBI basket.  They don't want to bother being more employable, learn more skills, etc.  They're just hoping that when the next Democrat gets elected to office they will roll out UBI with enough to cover the cost of a trendy downtown loft, daily ethnic food runs, their Steam libraries, and muh cummies from ohjoysextoy.com.

If Drumpf follows through on his welfare reform promise for this year, there's going to be a mass triggering event for unemployable goons who think society owes them a daily large pizza from Domino's.
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Re: The Soyboy Collective
« Reply #253 on: February 06, 2018, 05:52:50 PM »
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If UBI rolls out what stops prices from rising ala the mythical $15 minimum wage goon sacred cow?

Nothing, prices will stay the same and won't go up 30% year over year like college educations and cheeseburgers won't be $10 by 2023.  And the chocolate ration will go up by 15%.

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« Reply #254 on: February 06, 2018, 08:41:50 PM »
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We already have a form of UBI, it's that coworker who spends eight hours a day updating a spreadsheet that gets sent as a report once a month or the entire profession of diversity consultants.
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« Reply #255 on: February 06, 2018, 09:18:44 PM »
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If UBI rolls out what stops prices from rising ala the mythical $15 minimum wage goon sacred cow?

Nothing, prices will stay the same and won't go up 30% year over year like college educations and cheeseburgers won't be $10 by 2023.  And the chocolate ration will go up by 15%.

...and thats what we have to simultaneously prevent everyone else from making more money! What? Socialism? No! No, its totally not that, comrades!

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« Reply #256 on: February 06, 2018, 11:25:21 PM »
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Did you guys see the articles about fucking STOCKTON, CA of all places implementing UBI? Why do we have to do these things that are so obviously going to lead to tears? Oh well  :twisted:

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« Reply #257 on: February 06, 2018, 11:42:20 PM »
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Did you guys see the articles about fucking STOCKTON, CA of all places implementing UBI? Why do we have to do these things that are so obviously going to lead to tears? Oh well  :twisted:

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« Reply #258 on: February 06, 2018, 11:50:36 PM »
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That's enough to get a couple jerseys to hold you over until EBT day.

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« Reply #259 on: February 08, 2018, 12:31:29 PM »
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/randi-gunther/marriage-advice_b_5666990.html

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Why Great Husbands Are Being Abandoned

Not so many years ago, married men had the freedom to live by one set of rules away from home, and a different set at the hearth. Because they held the power to distribute resources however they wished, they could decide what and when to share them. As women have become legitimate wage earners with more powerful voices, they have challenged their chosen partners to participate in a whole new kind of connection that does not accept automatic hierarchy.

In the last few decades women have slowly driven their point home. The millennial men, who are their current counterparts, are freer thinkers and they have responded in kind in their relationships as well. These men like their women strong and feisty, and have willingly accepted the responsibility to connect in a more vulnerable way. They get it that it’s sexy to help make a meal or take the kids away on a Sunday morning so their wives can sleep in. They are the androgynous guys that their women have asked them to become.

You would think that the women in these new relationships would be ecstatic. They’ve got a guy who wants to work out together, share parenting, support their parallel dreams, and make their family collective central to both of their lives. They’ve established an equal relationship of coordinated teamwork, and the guys don’t seem to miss their old need to posture for power over intimate connections.

Well, guess again. Fifty percent of marriages are still ending in divorce, and women continue to be the gender that initiates those endings. In the past, their reasons for leaving most often had to do with infidelity, neglect, or abuse. Now they’re dumping men who are faithful, attentive, and respectful, the very men they said they have always wanted. Why would women who have accomplished the female dream suddenly not be satisfied with it? Why are they leaving these ideal guys, and for what reasons?

I am currently dealing with several of these great husbands. They are, across the board, respectful, quality, caring, devoted, cherishing, authentic, and supportive guys whose wives have left them for a different kind of man. These once-beloved men make a living, love their kids, help with chores, support aging parents, and support their mate’s desires and interests. They believe they’ve done everything right. They are devastated, confused, disoriented, and heartsick. In a tragic way, they startlingly resemble the disheartened women of the past who were left behind by men who “just wanted something new.”

You may think that these women are ruthless and inconsiderate. Those I know are far from that. More often, they still love their husbands as much as they ever did, but in a different way. They tell me how wonderful their men are and how much they respect them. They just don’t want to be married to them anymore.


Perhaps it would be even more honest to say that they don’t want to be yoked to anyone any more. At least in the traditional ways they once embraced as ideal. They feel compassion for their prior mates, but liberated in their new-found right to create a different way of feeling in relationships. In short, they want to live their lives with the privileges men once had.

I think I understand what is going on.

In the last twenty years, as women have found their voices and value, they have been asking more equality in their relationships. They were ready to take leadership and to disconnect from dependency. In exchange, they wanted their men to adopt nurturing and vulnerable characteristics. At first, there was an expected backlash. “Men are from Mars” and other media presentations became the cry for holding on to the differences between men and women and to keep them from blending.

Nevertheless, it became more and more apparent that quality people of both genders would be happier and more fulfilled if they could combine power and nurturing. Men would develop their feminine side and women their masculine. No longer would it be that the bad boys were sexy and the good women were virtuous. Now quality men needed to add chivalry to their power, and women to claim their ability for independent thinking and leadership. They could imagine a relationship where both were equally blended and free to be the best they could be. “She” and “he” became the new idealized “we.”


[[[STDH LIES BELOW \/ \/ \/ ]]]]
As the trend picked up energy, more of the die-hard “men’s men” started to see that the androgynous males were stealing the great girls from under their hard-core posturing, and began to wonder if their “take-no-prisoners” attitude might benefit from a little revising.
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Women saw their newly developed mates as their best friends, so wonderfully malleable they could take them anywhere and know they would fit in. Men no longer had to “understand and handle” their women, nor did women have to orchestrate “connection.”

Then things started to go awry. Perhaps these androgynous couples over-valued adopting the same behaviors in their relationship. Maybe the men got too nice and the women a little too challenging. Oddly, the androgynous men seemed to like their new-found emotional availability, while the women began to feel more unfulfilled. Her “perfect” partner, in the process of reclaiming his full emotional expressiveness, somehow ended up paying an unfair price; he was no longer able to command the hierarchical respect from her that was once his inalienable right.

How can a man be a caretaker and a warrior at the same time? How can he serve his woman’s need for a partner who is vulnerable, open, and intimate, while donning armor to fight the dangers that threaten his family and place in the world? How can he stand up and be a man amongst men, loyal to the hunting band that covers his back, while taking the night feeding, while not appearing less than a man? Did he blend his male energy with his female side, or did he learn to be more like a female at the price of his innate masculinity?

The women I have treated who have left their husbands for more “masculine” men believed that their new relationships would be able to both excite and nurture them. Sadly, that has not always happened. The veritable saint with balls is as elusive as ever.

When things haven’t worked out as they thought they would, several of the women I am now working with are re-thinking their decisions, wondering if they left too soon, or for the wrong reasons. They want to reconcile with the men they have left behind. Their husbands are torn between the understandable desire to reject them and still wanting them back. Ironically, because these have nurtured the feminine side of their natures, they are also able to forgive in a way few men have been able to do in the past.

But because they have no interest in returning to the “bad boy” mentality their competitors brandished, they are faced with a challenge most men have never had to confront. How do they hold on to their vulnerability and capacity to nurture, and blend it with the strength and power required of a self-respecting leader of men?

None of my reuniting couples ever want to lose each other again. They’ve left the old ways behind and know that going back to what was will not work anymore. They intensely want to create a new kind of connection that blends the beauty of traditional roles with the freedom to move between them, and to blend the best of the past with an as-yet-unwritten future.

It must be a parallel path. Both men and women must separately find their own balance between their need for independence and their desire for ongoing commitment. As integrated individuals in their own right, they would then have the capacity to create a relationship that is more than the exchange or sum of the parts. Committed partners who are willing to fight for that innovative solution will find the way.
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« Reply #260 on: February 08, 2018, 12:35:49 PM »
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It's crazy and hilarious to see how many goons are putting all their eggs in the UBI basket.  They don't want to bother being more employable, learn more skills, etc.  They're just hoping that when the next Democrat gets elected to office they will roll out UBI with enough to cover the cost of a trendy downtown loft, daily ethnic food runs, their Steam libraries, and muh cummies from ohjoysextoy.com.

If Drumpf follows through on his welfare reform promise for this year, there's going to be a mass triggering event for unemployable goons who think society owes them a daily large pizza from Domino's.

Even if the US got a UBI it would be hilariously small and wouldn't cover a week's worth of rent in the urban loft they desire. They'd have to move to the middle of nowhere.

Most of the luxury apartment complexes around here end up giving away 30-50% of their units as "low income housing". Combine that with generous  EBT/WIC/SSDI we already have "universal basic income".


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« Reply #261 on: February 08, 2018, 01:37:29 PM »
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It's crazy and hilarious to see how many goons are putting all their eggs in the UBI basket.  They don't want to bother being more employable, learn more skills, etc.  They're just hoping that when the next Democrat gets elected to office they will roll out UBI with enough to cover the cost of a trendy downtown loft, daily ethnic food runs, their Steam libraries, and muh cummies from ohjoysextoy.com.

If Drumpf follows through on his welfare reform promise for this year, there's going to be a mass triggering event for unemployable goons who think society owes them a daily large pizza from Domino's.

Even if the US got a UBI it would be hilariously small and wouldn't cover a week's worth of rent in the urban loft they desire. They'd have to move to the middle of nowhere.

Most of the luxury apartment complexes around here end up giving away 30-50% of their units as "low income housing". Combine that with generous  EBT/WIC/SSDI we already have "universal basic income".

The giveaways were likely government imposed- in order for the developers to get approval build certain projects they had to make sure they hit an arbitrary number of affordable units. Also, there's a program the feds have called Section 51 or 52 or some shit that basically offers construction financing at a below market interest rate provided X number of units are for low-income residents. This is how these luxury complexes turn into shitholes over time. I'm seeing it where I live right now.

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« Reply #262 on: February 08, 2018, 02:05:35 PM »
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/randi-gunther/marriage-advice_b_5666990.html

Being a soyboy can cost you your wife.

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Why Great Husbands Are Being Abandoned

Not so many years ago, married men had the freedom to live by one set of rules away from home, and a different set at the hearth. Because they held the power to distribute resources however they wished, they could decide what and when to share them. As women have become legitimate wage earners with more powerful voices, they have challenged their chosen partners to participate in a whole new kind of connection that does not accept automatic hierarchy.

In the last few decades women have slowly driven their point home. The millennial men, who are their current counterparts, are freer thinkers and they have responded in kind in their relationships as well. These men like their women strong and feisty, and have willingly accepted the responsibility to connect in a more vulnerable way. They get it that it’s sexy to help make a meal or take the kids away on a Sunday morning so their wives can sleep in. They are the androgynous guys that their women have asked them to become.

You would think that the women in these new relationships would be ecstatic. They’ve got a guy who wants to work out together, share parenting, support their parallel dreams, and make their family collective central to both of their lives. They’ve established an equal relationship of coordinated teamwork, and the guys don’t seem to miss their old need to posture for power over intimate connections.

Well, guess again. Fifty percent of marriages are still ending in divorce, and women continue to be the gender that initiates those endings. In the past, their reasons for leaving most often had to do with infidelity, neglect, or abuse. Now they’re dumping men who are faithful, attentive, and respectful, the very men they said they have always wanted. Why would women who have accomplished the female dream suddenly not be satisfied with it? Why are they leaving these ideal guys, and for what reasons?

I am currently dealing with several of these great husbands. They are, across the board, respectful, quality, caring, devoted, cherishing, authentic, and supportive guys whose wives have left them for a different kind of man. These once-beloved men make a living, love their kids, help with chores, support aging parents, and support their mate’s desires and interests. They believe they’ve done everything right. They are devastated, confused, disoriented, and heartsick. In a tragic way, they startlingly resemble the disheartened women of the past who were left behind by men who “just wanted something new.”

You may think that these women are ruthless and inconsiderate. Those I know are far from that. More often, they still love their husbands as much as they ever did, but in a different way. They tell me how wonderful their men are and how much they respect them. They just don’t want to be married to them anymore.


Perhaps it would be even more honest to say that they don’t want to be yoked to anyone any more. At least in the traditional ways they once embraced as ideal. They feel compassion for their prior mates, but liberated in their new-found right to create a different way of feeling in relationships. In short, they want to live their lives with the privileges men once had.

I think I understand what is going on.

In the last twenty years, as women have found their voices and value, they have been asking more equality in their relationships. They were ready to take leadership and to disconnect from dependency. In exchange, they wanted their men to adopt nurturing and vulnerable characteristics. At first, there was an expected backlash. “Men are from Mars” and other media presentations became the cry for holding on to the differences between men and women and to keep them from blending.

Nevertheless, it became more and more apparent that quality people of both genders would be happier and more fulfilled if they could combine power and nurturing. Men would develop their feminine side and women their masculine. No longer would it be that the bad boys were sexy and the good women were virtuous. Now quality men needed to add chivalry to their power, and women to claim their ability for independent thinking and leadership. They could imagine a relationship where both were equally blended and free to be the best they could be. “She” and “he” became the new idealized “we.”


[[[STDH LIES BELOW \/ \/ \/ ]]]]
As the trend picked up energy, more of the die-hard “men’s men” started to see that the androgynous males were stealing the great girls from under their hard-core posturing, and began to wonder if their “take-no-prisoners” attitude might benefit from a little revising.
[[[STDH LIES ABOVE ^^^]]]


Women saw their newly developed mates as their best friends, so wonderfully malleable they could take them anywhere and know they would fit in. Men no longer had to “understand and handle” their women, nor did women have to orchestrate “connection.”

Then things started to go awry. Perhaps these androgynous couples over-valued adopting the same behaviors in their relationship. Maybe the men got too nice and the women a little too challenging. Oddly, the androgynous men seemed to like their new-found emotional availability, while the women began to feel more unfulfilled. Her “perfect” partner, in the process of reclaiming his full emotional expressiveness, somehow ended up paying an unfair price; he was no longer able to command the hierarchical respect from her that was once his inalienable right.

How can a man be a caretaker and a warrior at the same time? How can he serve his woman’s need for a partner who is vulnerable, open, and intimate, while donning armor to fight the dangers that threaten his family and place in the world? How can he stand up and be a man amongst men, loyal to the hunting band that covers his back, while taking the night feeding, while not appearing less than a man? Did he blend his male energy with his female side, or did he learn to be more like a female at the price of his innate masculinity?

The women I have treated who have left their husbands for more “masculine” men believed that their new relationships would be able to both excite and nurture them. Sadly, that has not always happened. The veritable saint with balls is as elusive as ever.

When things haven’t worked out as they thought they would, several of the women I am now working with are re-thinking their decisions, wondering if they left too soon, or for the wrong reasons. They want to reconcile with the men they have left behind. Their husbands are torn between the understandable desire to reject them and still wanting them back. Ironically, because these have nurtured the feminine side of their natures, they are also able to forgive in a way few men have been able to do in the past.

But because they have no interest in returning to the “bad boy” mentality their competitors brandished, they are faced with a challenge most men have never had to confront. How do they hold on to their vulnerability and capacity to nurture, and blend it with the strength and power required of a self-respecting leader of men?

None of my reuniting couples ever want to lose each other again. They’ve left the old ways behind and know that going back to what was will not work anymore. They intensely want to create a new kind of connection that blends the beauty of traditional roles with the freedom to move between them, and to blend the best of the past with an as-yet-unwritten future.

It must be a parallel path. Both men and women must separately find their own balance between their need for independence and their desire for ongoing commitment. As integrated individuals in their own right, they would then have the capacity to create a relationship that is more than the exchange or sum of the parts. Committed partners who are willing to fight for that innovative solution will find the way.

:tom: I've never made any sense or been able to gather any coherency out of anything written or said by a marriage counselor. No, I have never received marriage counseling. I have talked to a few at parties and read articles like this and can only imagine trying to fix your relationship through marriage counseling must be like trying to kick water up stairs. It just doesn't work.


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« Reply #263 on: February 08, 2018, 05:03:28 PM »
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I imagine a marriage counselor's job is much like a researcher's job: it behooves them to stay just on the edge of a breakthrough, but never quite find an answer.
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« Reply #264 on: February 08, 2018, 06:11:36 PM »
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Was part of a marriage counseling program.


Don’t go to a marriage counselor.
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« Reply #265 on: February 08, 2018, 06:33:29 PM »
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A marriage counselor is just hiring reinforcements for your wife.
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« Reply #266 on: February 08, 2018, 06:53:35 PM »
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Marriage counseling is buying time for asset moving and transferal, for pigeon-holing cash, selecting a good attorney and hopefully filing first.

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« Reply #267 on: February 08, 2018, 07:03:19 PM »
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Has marriage counseling EVER actually fixed a marriage? I don't mean they stayed together. There are countless miserable married people. I mean has this series of events ever taken place:

Happy couple -> marriage -> happy marriage -> marriage a little rocky -> marriage in trouble -> counseling -> work -> happy marriage again where you can't wait to see the other person again, you pinch each other's ass as you pass each other in the house, you both give and get enthusiastic oral sex, and you make people gag with your PDA like you're a couple of college freshmen in love who are seeing each other for the first time after a long thanksgiving break home where all you did was sext and skype the whole time anyways

If it has I ain't never seen it.
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« Reply #268 on: February 08, 2018, 07:21:01 PM »
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Was part of a marriage counseling program.


Don’t go to a marriage counselor.

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« Reply #269 on: February 08, 2018, 07:46:29 PM »
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3 different types of sex-

Anytime, Anywhere: New relationship= lots of banging

Marital Sex: Doesn't happen as often; resentment grows between the couple due to lack of sex/stress/kids/bills

Hallway Sex: You walk past each other in the hallway and say "Fuck you" to one another.

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« Reply #270 on: February 09, 2018, 07:39:25 AM »
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If you're going to a marriage counselor you're already fucked.

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« Reply #271 on: February 09, 2018, 10:47:22 AM »
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« Reply #272 on: February 09, 2018, 10:58:51 AM »
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Wow. This video inadvertently shows what its like being a straight guy being endlessly harassed and stalked by gays

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« Reply #273 on: February 09, 2018, 01:54:47 PM »
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Has marriage counseling EVER actually fixed a marriage? I don't mean they stayed together. There are countless miserable married people. I mean has this series of events ever taken place:

Happy couple -> marriage -> happy marriage -> marriage a little rocky -> marriage in trouble -> counseling -> work -> happy marriage again where you can't wait to see the other person again, you pinch each other's ass as you pass each other in the house, you both give and get enthusiastic oral sex, and you make people gag with your PDA like you're a couple of college freshmen in love who are seeing each other for the first time after a long thanksgiving break home where all you did was sext and skype the whole time anyways

If it has I ain't never seen it.

That kind of sexual relationship, i believe, rarely happens outside of a new marriage/relationship.  At least not consistently.  People change, grow up, get older, life changes, kids, etc.  The point isnt to keep things the same but rather grow *with* one another in similar terms and along similar directions.  Marriage counseling can work, I've seen it improve peoples lives and relationships, but both parties have to be willing to change and do hard work to succeed at it.  Even in a "one-sided" situation (one spouse cheats on another) neither party is "innocent" and both have contributed to the degradation of the relationship to the point where that would happen (yes occasionally you get a total sociopath who just dgaf but thats relatively rare).  If even one party isn't willing to take a good hard look at what they did to contribute and then change all the counseling in the world won't matter.

Furthermore both have to set boundaries and be willing to say "i want to find a new counselor" if the current one is just siding with one spouse and beating up on the 'bad guy.' Not all LCSW or psychologists are created equal, and in some cases that means extremely specialized therapists outside of just "marriage counselors" (who are generally shit at anything beyond "we have minor troubles and need help talking about it").  Like I knew a guy who was dealing with major chemical dependencies (alcoholism, uppers, among other things) and a marriage counselor was useless, they had shop around until they found a guy to see who dealt with addictions and their effects on relationships, they're still together, and there's still a rough road ahead but things are way better than ever before.

Also keep in mind: a lot of people have problems in their marriage/relationship that don't appear obvious to even close friends (or themselves).  I've had friends who seemed fine and then things fell apart, only to find out their marriage was total shit, and others who fought all the time but were 100% devoted to each other.  A decent number of people get counseling, it helps them work through shit, and they never talk about it.  The biggest hurdle people deal with these days in marriages is massive arrested development and lack of maturity for both women and men.

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Re: The Soyboy Collective
« Reply #274 on: February 09, 2018, 02:28:49 PM »
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I think counseling can work if you're just having some troubles in your marriage and need a third voice to help you hash shit out. If you're going as a last ditch effort to actually save your marriage then it probably won't help.

That said, if you have kids you should grow the fuck up and get your shit together for their sake. Also it helps if you don't marry a whore.
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