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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »
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NASA exist to funnel money to Air Force black budget space program and to trick normies into thinking space is super expensive and complex.

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2018, 02:44:34 PM »
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NASA exist to funnel money to Air Force black budget space program and to trick normies into thinking space is super expensive and complex.

Why it gotta be called a BLACK budget? shit's rayciss, yo

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2018, 01:31:21 PM »
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We discussed NASA and government waste a bit in the corporate virtue signalling thread but I think this might be a little bit more appropriate thread for questionable government spending.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/air-force-makes-consequential-awards-to-rocket-developers/

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On Wednesday, the US Air Force awarded its much-anticipated new round of "Launch Service Agreements," which provide funds to rocket companies to complete development of their boosters. There were three winners:

    United Launch Alliance: $967,000,000 for the development of the Vulcan Centaur launch system.
    Northrop Grumman: $791,601,015 for development of the Omega launch system
    Blue Origin: $500,000,000 for the development of the New Glenn launch system

So SpaceX isn't on the list, which might be because they didn't make a bid, because the two rockets they sell to the Air Force are already operational and certified (Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy); and Air Force might not have seen any reason for anything as brutal as BFR. However, there is a few curious details there. For example, the ULA's Vulcan rocket is going to use New Glenn's BE-4 engine which is being developed by Blue Origin. The engine is the most complicated and expensive bit of kit on the rocket so a lot of people raised their eyebrows a little when they found out that ULA (Boeing & Lockheed Martin) are going to receive close to one billion and Blue Origin - who are actually developing the engine - are getting only half of that. On top of that the Vulcan rocket will only have half of the payload capacity of New Glenn... So the big question is why did Boeing and Lockheed Martin get twice the funding for doing half of the work.

No one understands why Omega got any funding at all. The only possible explanation is that it's undercover funding for new ICMB tech.
But I do often point out that I write both science fiction and fantasy. It’s just that the science fiction is usually titled ‘technical proposal’ and the fantasy is titled ‘budget proposal.’

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2018, 02:52:09 PM »
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https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/11/nasa-plans-invasive-review-of-spacex-after-musk-smoked-weed/

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NASA concerned about culture of “inappropriateness” at SpaceX

Agency will continue to rely on Russian Soyuz vehicles while reviews take place.

In addition to spurring problems for the car company Tesla, Elon Musk's puff of marijuana in September will also have consequences for SpaceX. On Tuesday, The Washington Post reported that NASA will conduct a "safety review" of both of its commercial crew companies, SpaceX and Boeing. The review was prompted, sources told the paper, because of recent behavior by Musk, including smoking marijuana on a podcast.

According to William Gerstenmaier, NASA's chief human spaceflight official, the review will be "pretty invasive" and involve interviews with hundreds of employees at various levels of the companies, across multiple worksites. The review will begin next year, and interviews will examine "everything and anything that could impact safety," Gerstenmaier told the Post.

Fucking LOL.

NASA is putting lives of American astronauts at risk trying to get them into orbit using 50-year old Soviet era technology that is held together with tape but Musk smoking pot on a podcast is the real problem that's gonna get them killed apparently.

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Although it is not clear how such a review would affect the commercial crew schedule, delays seem the most likely outcome. For one, the companies will have to devote time to complying with the NASA reviewers. And second, if any problems are uncovered, the companies and the space agency will have to negotiate means of fixing them.

Americans haven't had the tech to launch astronauts into orbit since 2011 and now NASA is about to delay this further because... I don't know, because Musk doesn't care what other people think?

EDIT: https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/11/21/nasa-announces-target-date-for-first-spacex-crew-dragon-flight/

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SpaceX is targeting Jan. 7 for launch of its first Crew Dragon commercial ferry ship on an unpiloted test flight to the International Space Station, NASA announced Wednesday, a major milestone in the agency’s drive to end its sole reliance on Russian Soyuz crew ships for carrying astronauts to orbit.

If the shakedown flight goes smoothly — and if a NASA safety probe unveiled Tuesday doesn’t turn up any show stoppers — SpaceX could be ready to launch the first piloted Crew Dragon atop a Falcon 9 rocket in the June timeframe, carrying veteran NASA astronauts Robert Behnken and Douglas Hurley to the space station.

OK, very good that an actual date has been publicly set, that means it will be harder for NASA to delay things further.



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But I do often point out that I write both science fiction and fantasy. It’s just that the science fiction is usually titled ‘technical proposal’ and the fantasy is titled ‘budget proposal.’

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2018, 01:43:32 AM »
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How nice of NASA to make your mom a new buttplug.
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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2018, 09:57:38 AM »
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This is probably just a way for NASA to say "see, private space travel on inexpensive and fast timeframes won't work, so you have to go back to making us the gatekeepers because we know best."

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2018, 04:23:09 AM »
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So one of the names of the astronauts chosen for the first human flight of the CST-100 module caught my eye. "Aunapu", that doesn't sound very American, but it does sound eerily similar to "Õunapuu" which means apple tree and is a very common last name in Estonia..

http://estonianworld.com/life/estonian-descendant-nicole-aunapu-mann-selected-for-american-space-flights/



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But I do often point out that I write both science fiction and fantasy. It’s just that the science fiction is usually titled ‘technical proposal’ and the fantasy is titled ‘budget proposal.’

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2018, 04:42:53 AM »
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I would have guessed Maori.
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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2018, 05:56:08 AM »
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Anything government buys from "private" companies is just the military industrial complex self perpetuating. NASA is a waste of money because they don't have to justify costs. If they have $5 billion (random number), they're going to spend all that money and demand more. If the scientists and engineers had to compete we would see more innovation faster.

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2018, 06:12:29 AM »
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Anything government buys from "private" companies is just the military industrial complex self perpetuating. NASA is a waste of money because they don't have to justify costs. If they have $5 billion (random number), they're going to spend all that money and demand more. If the scientists and engineers had to compete we would see more innovation faster.

That is true, the orbital lift-off industry has demonstrated this really well. What would be really interesting to see if the U.S. government started having bids for science missions as well. The fucking constant delays years at a time and projects costing ten to fifteen times of what they originally should have... So yeah, unfortunately real competition in space industry is in only some segments and even then it just sort of works half of the time.
But I do often point out that I write both science fiction and fantasy. It’s just that the science fiction is usually titled ‘technical proposal’ and the fantasy is titled ‘budget proposal.’

- Jordin Kare

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2018, 08:16:18 AM »
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So if we made space travel more . .. . dare I say. . . capitalist?

Almost like how since its inception the post office was complete garbage because they were the only game in town, and then FedEx and UPS came around and suddenly they're like "Oh, hey, do you need a tracking number for that? Because we will totally keep track of it for you. Haha. Stay with us, not those crazy FedEx or UPS people. We have always been there for you!"

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2018, 07:25:57 PM »
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So if we made space travel more . .. . dare I say. . . capitalist?

Almost like how since its inception the post office was complete garbage because they were the only game in town, and then FedEx and UPS came around and suddenly they're like "Oh, hey, do you need a tracking number for that? Because we will totally keep track of it for you. Haha. Stay with us, not those crazy FedEx or UPS people. We have always been there for you!"

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The Post Office was one of the few, if not the only, Federal Agency that generated revenue. Then some Congresspeople, at the behest of private industry like UPS, forced the USPS to fully fund it's pensions for 30 years, something no other Federal Agency does.

Suddenly the USPS became a huge liability and lost money and is a massive drain on the budget.

:adam:

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #87 on: November 27, 2018, 07:46:09 PM »
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So if we made space travel more . .. . dare I say. . . capitalist?

Almost like how since its inception the post office was complete garbage because they were the only game in town, and then FedEx and UPS came around and suddenly they're like "Oh, hey, do you need a tracking number for that? Because we will totally keep track of it for you. Haha. Stay with us, not those crazy FedEx or UPS people. We have always been there for you!"

:judy:
The Post Office was one of the few, if not the only, Federal Agency that generated revenue. Then some Congresspeople, at the behest of private industry like UPS, forced the USPS to fully fund it's pensions for 30 years, something no other Federal Agency does.

Suddenly the USPS became a huge liability and lost money and is a massive drain on the budget.

:adam:

Are you suggesting that pensions are shit?

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2018, 09:30:50 PM »
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Well, the USPS was garbage long before 2006, if that's what you're suggesting

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2018, 11:18:04 PM »
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So if we made space travel more . .. . dare I say. . . capitalist?

Almost like how since its inception the post office was complete garbage because they were the only game in town, and then FedEx and UPS came around and suddenly they're like "Oh, hey, do you need a tracking number for that? Because we will totally keep track of it for you. Haha. Stay with us, not those crazy FedEx or UPS people. We have always been there for you!"

:judy:
The Post Office was one of the few, if not the only, Federal Agency that generated revenue. Then some Congresspeople, at the behest of private industry like UPS, forced the USPS to fully fund it's pensions for 30 years, something no other Federal Agency does.

Suddenly the USPS became a huge liability and lost money and is a massive drain on the budget.

:adam:

Are you suggesting that pensions are shit?

What? He's suggesting that congress intentionally fucked over the USPS at the behest of private enterprise, while enforcing a standard that private enterprise has never been held to. Has nothing to do with whether or not pensions are good or bad. Pretty sure there are very few companies that meet their obligations to PBGC.

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Re: This is why you can't have nice things
« Reply #90 on: November 28, 2018, 07:44:56 AM »
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So if we made space travel more . .. . dare I say. . . capitalist?

Almost like how since its inception the post office was complete garbage because they were the only game in town, and then FedEx and UPS came around and suddenly they're like "Oh, hey, do you need a tracking number for that? Because we will totally keep track of it for you. Haha. Stay with us, not those crazy FedEx or UPS people. We have always been there for you!"

:judy:
The Post Office was one of the few, if not the only, Federal Agency that generated revenue. Then some Congresspeople, at the behest of private industry like UPS, forced the USPS to fully fund it's pensions for 30 years, something no other Federal Agency does.

Suddenly the USPS became a huge liability and lost money and is a massive drain on the budget.

:adam:

Are you suggesting that pensions are shit?

What? He's suggesting that congress intentionally fucked over the USPS at the behest of private enterprise, while enforcing a standard that private enterprise has never been held to. Has nothing to do with whether or not pensions are good or bad. Pretty sure there are very few companies that meet their obligations to PBGC.

Correct. Not only that, it's a standard other public entities are not held to. AFAIK, no other Federal Agency has to fund their pensions that far in advance.